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Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #45 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
is there any chance we can give Weitering a rest and my only concern was our slow ball movement from defence
Probably the only player we cant afford to rest......last rounds vs the Eagles ,Saints if we had 2nd spot locked away.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #46 –
Coaches' votes :

10 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
8 Sam Walsh (CARL)
6 Nicholas Newman (CARL)
2 Adam Saad (CARL)
2 Blake Acres (CARL)
1 Elijah Hollands (CARL)
1 Ben Miller (RICH)

It's good to see some of the role player types getting positive attention from supporters and coaches alike : Acres, Elijah Hollands, Newman and others all very astute pickups that did not cost the earth. Well done CFC.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #47 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
is there any chance we can give Weitering a rest and my only concern was our slow ball movement from defence

Weitering has played in 12 games this season. 10 of those games he has 100% time on ground. One game was 96% ToG, the other 99%. These numbers are from the AFL website, which I hope are more reliable than some of their stats, like the Telstra Tracker, which can be glitchy.

Whilst my focus was on Weitering, I did casually notice that there a number of CFC and opposition players that have mid-high 90's% time on ground. Kemp, Harry McKay, Curnow are regularly around this range.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #48 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 – on
Knee on knee contact in a rucking contest according the the radio.
Hopefully not a PCL.

Thats why you don't listen to the radio.

It was highlighted on tv exactly where it happened and how it happened and it had nothing to do with the ruck.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #49 –
Jordan Boyd offered a 1 match ban.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #50 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Thats why you don't listen to the radio.

It was highlighted on tv exactly where it happened and how it happened and it had nothing to do with the ruck.

Kennedy's injury happened during a ruck contest with Koschitzke.  Koschitzke "leant" on Kennedy as they were contesting a ball up and Kennedy's knee buckled.  That's the risk you take when you put a midfielder into the ruck against a taller, heavier ruckman, even if he's a part timer.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #51 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Kennedy's injury happened during a ruck contest with Koschitzke.  Koschitzke "leant" on Kennedy as they were contesting a ball up and Kennedy's knee buckled.  That's the risk you take when you put a midfielder into the ruck against a taller, heavier ruckman, even if he's a part timer.
I suggest you watch it again, its available in the middle of this story.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1161352/brutal-carlton-blues-flex-their-muscles-dusty-martin-adds-to-richmond-tigers-injury-woes

Kennedy tripped over Taranto running past and his knee buckled before there was any contact in the ruck contest.

Something like that can happen to anyone at any part of the ground at any given time.

Its not because he's been played in the ruck.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #52 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I suggest you watch it again, its available in the middle of this story.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1161352/brutal-carlton-blues-flex-their-muscles-dusty-martin-adds-to-richmond-tigers-injury-woes

Kennedy tripped over Taranto running past and his knee buckled before there was any contact in the ruck contest.

Something like that can happen to anyone at any part of the ground at any given time.

Its not because he's been played in the ruck.

Have a look at the link I posted earlier. Taranto and Kennedy's feet clash and Kennedy's left foot takes his weight.  Koschitzke then engages with Kennedy for the ruck contest and Kennedy's knee buckles inwards.  If Koschitzke is out of the equation, Kennedy would be fine.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #53 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Have a look at the link I posted earlier. Taranto and Kennedy's feet clash and Kennedy's left foot takes his weight.  Koschitzke then engages with Kennedy for the ruck contest and Kennedy's knee buckles inwards.  If Koschitzke is out of the equation, Kennedy would be fine.

I don't need to have a look at the link, i just linked it.
He is going down before there is any interference in the ruck contest.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #54 –
What happened to Kennedy turns me grey when I think that we ruck Cripps and BigH, the risk is palpable! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #55 –
Quote from: LP – on
What happened to Kennedy turns me grey when I think that we ruck Cripps and BigH, the risk is palpable! :o
Yeah, keep them in the middle or as key forward.

There is never any side by side pushing and shoving there. Or bash and crash in marking contests.

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Reply #56 –
I think the question of whether or not to ruck certain players needs to be considered separately from the Kennedy incident. Cripps and McKay seem to take their fair share of ruck contests, so the club seems okay with it. I'd be curious to know if other clubs assign occasional rucking duties to their stars.

As an aside, to my eyes Taranto's foot seems the likely culprit.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #57 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Jordan Boyd offered a 1 match ban.
utter garbage, Rich player ducked his head and forced the high contact. If he didnt duck his his head it would have been relatively a body on body contact. Roll out the KC.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #58 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I don't need to have a look at the link, i just linked it.
He is going down before there is any interference in the ruck contest.

No, you do need to look at it again because it’s obvious that the contact with Koschitzke  causes Kennedy’s knee to flex laterally. Without the force applied by Koschitzke when Kennedy’s lower leg is pinned, Kennedy gets away with a slightly rolled ankle and stays on the ground.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #59 –
Quote from: DJC – on
No, you do need to look at it again because it’s obvious that the contact with Koschitzke  causes Kennedy’s knee to flex laterally. Without the force applied by Koschitzke when Kennedy’s lower leg is pinned, Kennedy gets away with a slightly rolled ankle and stays on the ground.

So the ONLY reason Kennedy did his knee was because he was in a ruck contest??? Yeah nah.

If Taranto and him did the same thing and there was a brick wall there instead of Kosi, it would've been the brick walls fault too.

If what happened with Taranto didn't happen, then he doesn't do his knee. You know how i know this? Because he's done the same things 100's of times already in marking contests, rucking contests, midfield stoppage contests.

He was off balance because of the Taranto contact.
So far, that makes myself, Paul, the commentators agreeing with that side
and
You....and maybe LP blaming it on the ruck contest.

Side by side, in a push and shove and that would ONLY happen in a ruck contest?

As an aside, you suggesting the ONLY reason he hurt his knee was because of the lateral flex caused by Kosi, i refer you to a story i've told many a time previous about a former QB Teddy Bridgewater, who hurt his knee to the point where he almost had to get his leg amputated while at training......and without any contact whatsoever. Doctors said it was akin to a car crash......yet no contact.

Sometimes $h!t just happens.

You can play the blame game, but that did not occur because he was used as a ruckman. That occured because he was playing a game of footy and was a complete accident.