Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #60 – July 01, 2024, 09:11:06 pm Quote from: PaulP – on July 01, 2024, 08:19:44 pmI think the question of whether or not to ruck certain players needs to be considered separately from the Kennedy incident. Cripps and McKay seem to take their fair share of ruck contests, so the club seems okay with it. I'd be curious to know if other clubs assign occasional rucking duties to their stars. As an aside, to my eyes Taranto's foot seems the likely culprit.Paul Roos is a good example of what to do (and not do) with your stars in the ruck.Paul Roos used to ruck Goodes....until he got a knee on knee while jumping at a centre bounce and did a PCL. He vowed never to use him in a centre bounce rucking contest again. (i believe they changed the rules since then anyway), but he never did.However, he did use him in around the ground stuff when required because the chance of injury was no more or less than in any other contest around the ground, be it marking, or in a midfield battle. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #61 – July 01, 2024, 09:15:22 pm Kennedy looks like will only miss a week. Quote Selected 3 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #62 – July 01, 2024, 09:21:58 pm Quote from: kruddler – on July 01, 2024, 09:08:37 pmSo the ONLY reason Kennedy did his knee was because he was in a ruck contest??? Yeah nah.If Taranto and him did the same thing and there was a brick wall there instead of Kosi, it would've been the brick walls fault too.If what happened with Taranto didn't happen, then he doesn't do his knee. You know how i know this? Because he's done the same things 100's of times already in marking contests, rucking contests, midfield stoppage contests.He was off balance because of the Taranto contact.So far, that makes myself, Paul, the commentators agreeing with that sideandYou....and maybe LP blaming it on the ruck contest.Side by side, in a push and shove and that would ONLY happen in a ruck contest? As an aside, you suggesting the ONLY reason he hurt his knee was because of the lateral flex caused by Kosi, i refer you to a story i've told many a time previous about a former QB Teddy Bridgewater, who hurt his knee to the point where he almost had to get his leg amputated while at training......and without any contact whatsoever. Doctors said it was akin to a car crash......yet no contact.Sometimes $h!t just happens.You can play the blame game, but that did not occur because he was used as a ruckman. That occured because he was playing a game of footy and was a complete accident.Give it a break Kruddler; the foot clash with Taranto was a factor but it was the force applied by Koschitzke that did the damage. Watch how Kennedy’s knee buckles as Koschitzke engages with him before winning the hitout.Could the injury have happened in another play phase? Of course it could, but it actually happened in a ruck contest and no amount of spin can change that. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #63 – July 01, 2024, 09:24:04 pm Quote from: kruddler – on July 01, 2024, 09:11:06 pmPaul Roos is a good example of what to do (and not do) with your stars in the ruck.Paul Roos used to ruck Goodes....until he got a knee on knee while jumping at a centre bounce and did a PCL. He vowed never to use him in a centre bounce rucking contest again. (i believe they changed the rules since then anyway), but he never did.However, he did use him in around the ground stuff when required because the chance of injury was no more or less than in any other contest around the ground, be it marking, or in a midfield battle.It's possible that the increased risk is there and both of you are essentially correct you know.I dislike rucking cripps, less so Kennedy and Harry is just as likely to knock himself out in a marking duel as anywhere else. Only other player I'd loathe rucking is weitering. Even so, it's going to happen from time to time. Sooner or later someone will get hurt in a ruck contest. That's when the call for two rucks come back. Thing is, whilst we play one lone key defender in weiters we likely can play two rucks, with pitto going a kick behind play and tdk going forward at times. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #64 – July 01, 2024, 09:33:39 pm There's a moment in the clip when Cincotta crosses between the viewer and Kennedy so it makes it a little hard to see. To my eyes, it looks like Kennedy's right leg (the front of his thigh) hits Koschitzke's buttocks. Could that cause a medial ?At any rate, none of us are biomechanics experts. This does not seem like a hill worth dying on. Perhaps we can just enjoy being second on the ladder, and according to Healy, current flag favorites, as opposed to arguing about who we should take with pick 1? Quote Selected 4 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #65 – July 01, 2024, 09:40:46 pm On the latest Footy Feed, Josh Gabelich is suggesting Kennedy "looks like he's going to miss a chunk of footy," and that we should know more in the next day or two. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #66 – July 01, 2024, 10:02:57 pm Quote from: DJC – on July 01, 2024, 09:21:58 pmGive it a break Kruddler; the foot clash with Taranto was a factor but it was the force applied by Koschitzke that did the damage. Watch how Kennedy’s knee buckles as Koschitzke engages with him before winning the hitout.Could the injury have happened in another play phase? Of course it could, but it actually happened in a ruck contest and no amount of spin can change that.Have you ever one a knee?I have, multiple times. I can feel it while I watch that.Most of the times I've done it was due to my weight being off balance rather than contact....just like Kennedy.Difference was, I did my ACL.If that is your strongest argument for needed 2 rucks in the side then I rest my case. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #67 – July 01, 2024, 10:43:29 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 01, 2024, 08:39:06 pmutter garbage, Rich player ducked his head and forced the high contact. If he didnt duck his his head it would have been relatively a body on body contact. Roll out the KC.Game has become a screwing joke Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #68 – July 01, 2024, 10:46:37 pm Quote from: tex – on July 01, 2024, 10:43:29 pmGame has become a screwing jokeIm all for protecting the head but when the player ducks his head, all bets are off IMO. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #69 – July 01, 2024, 10:53:00 pm Quote from: tex – on July 01, 2024, 10:43:29 pmGame has become a screwing jokeFrom the moment the current AFL administration made the decision to take weight of a players stat off the books you know the game is going to get very soft. Careless my butt - the guy with the footy has as much duty of care as the player without it in that instance. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #70 – July 02, 2024, 01:56:41 am Quote from: kruddler – on July 01, 2024, 10:02:57 pmHave you ever one a knee?I have, multiple times. I can feel it while I watch that.Most of the times I've done it was due to my weight being off balance rather than contact....just like Kennedy.Difference was, I did my ACL.If that is your strongest argument for needed 2 rucks in the side then I rest my case.Yes, I have done medial and lateral ligaments several times and was coaching my daughter in rep basketball when she tore her ACL - twice.I'm not arguing for or against two rucks. I'm in the "horses for courses" camp and am quite happy with the De Koning-McKay ruck combination. I'm simply pointing out that Kennedy's MCL happened in a ruck contest against a larger player. Kennedy's injury history probably should rule him out of the ruck. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #71 – July 02, 2024, 07:56:16 am Quote from: DJC – on July 01, 2024, 02:20:00 pmNo it wasn't knee on knee. Chugga's leg got pinned and his knee was bent inwards; classic medial ligament scenario.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u0PitVW8a44Hopefully it won't be as serious as last season's high-grade MCL injury.Thanks DJC. Cannot always rely on what you hear. Hopefully not as serious as last year. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #72 – July 02, 2024, 08:03:32 am No matter what excuses get made, having valuable Mids, and even more valuable and rare Coleman Medallists, repeatedly wrestle with typically the heaviest and often the strongest opposition player will brings increased risk of injury. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #73 – July 02, 2024, 10:31:13 am Quote from: LP – on July 02, 2024, 08:03:32 amNo matter what excuses get made, having valuable Mids, and even more valuable and rare Coleman Medallists, repeatedly wrestle with typically the heaviest and often the strongest opposition player will brings increased risk of injury.If Harry had contested that hitout, he would have had a significant height and weight advantage. If Cripps had contested it, he would have matched Koschitzke for size but bettered him for strength and guile.While Chugga’s knee buckled in a ruck contest, it could have happened in any number of contests during the course of the game, as did his MCL injury last season. The rule changes have greatly reduced the chances of ruck contest injuries but marking contests are fair game now that the hands in the back doesn’t apply. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond Reply #74 – July 02, 2024, 01:17:33 pm Lucky enough to get over there for the game and see a 10-goal win for a change. It certainly is a much better perspective of the whole game than you get from just watching it on TV.The Cripps/Walsh combination would have to be one of the best in the business. The third quarter was just off the charts.Loved the games from the second tier players again who are playing their roles perfectly.At the game and certainly noticed the kicking efficiency of Newman, Saad and Boyd coming out of defence. For a day which was a bit wet and slippery at times, they were pinpoint. McKay certainly gets held and scragged in marking contests and I can only remember one free kick late in the game to him that was paid.What was noticeable was the poor second efforts from Charlie on a few occasions and one in the last quarter I reckon he was dragged for it. He came back on and kicked a goal from what was about his first real contested mark of the day. He got to plenty of marking contests but just couldn't hang onto it. He still kicked two goals but against an inexperienced backline and with plenty of ball coming in, I was sure he'd have a day out.Loved Fantasia's game and was right behind that banana kick in the last quarter.While it was a 10 goal margin, we'd need to be a bit more consistent and on from the start this week against GWS. Quote Selected 2 Likes