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Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #75 –
Quote from: LP – on
No matter what excuses get made, having valuable Mids, and even more valuable and rare Coleman Medallists, repeatedly wrestle with typically the heaviest and often the strongest opposition player will brings increased risk of injury.
A couple things....
Firstly, when does Cripps, Kennedy or Harry get through a game without wrestling with a strong/heavy opponent? Happens every game regardless of where they play.
Hell, we've seen Durdin, Owies, Fantasia, Fogarty try and outwrestle KPD's in marking contests, sometimes 2 on 1, multiple times as well.

What happened was a complete accident due to the fact Kennedy was off balance and out of position due to the contact with Taranto. Don't make this a ruck injury because its not.

Secondly, since when has Kennedy been a 'valuable mid' ?

Over half the people on this forum have ommitted him from our best 22 in the latest incarnation.
Thats on a par with Lachie Cowan and Jack Martin in terms of cementing their place in the side.

He is a 'borderline best 22' player and its exactly those types that need multiple strings to their bow to give them a spot in the team.
Kennedy out and someone like Carroll in and we are not losing much. Truth be told, we added a mid for a small this week and probably could bring in another small to cover kennedy and not notice one bit.

FWIW, Cripps and Kosi are 3cm and 3kg difference. which is about the same difference as Cripps to Kennedy which is twice the difference from Kennedy to Walsh.
Question: Why doesn't Kennedy and Cripps' weight advantage injury midfielders every week given the relative weight difference is the same as Kosi to Kennedy?
Answer: Because it was a freak accident that was not about relative size/strength difference at all.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #76 –
Im a Kennedy fan so maybe a bit biased but I just think when he plays along with Hewett he makes us a tougher contested and better team and helps take the pressure off Cripps and Walsh in particular. A lot of clubs would like him on their list imho and FWIW I rate him much higher than Carroll who hasnt proved to me he is a regular senior player or a player who can play the different roles Kennedy can.
Im predicting he will be missed vs GWS and make the task of winning a bit harder....be a good test for Carroll being the likely replacement.
As for his injury I thought he tripped over Taranto moving past him and then got shoved over by Kosi as he fell so Im not calling it a ruck injury but more a innocuous accident.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #77 –
@EB...
Kennedy has he's place and i'm a fan of what he does too.
But he also has his weaknesses and his biggest one is his (lack of) pace.
Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy all playing midfield together opens us up to be hurt by speed.
Of all our mids, Kennedy would be the last one picked from our current lineup.......the caveat to that is unless he can play another role.

......which being 3rd tall / backup ruck....he has been doing. Take that away from him and he becomes less valuable as a pure mid IMO.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #78 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
@EB...
Kennedy has he's place and i'm a fan of what he does too.
But he also has his weaknesses and his biggest one is his (lack of) pace.
Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy all playing midfield together opens us up to be hurt by speed.
Of all our mids, Kennedy would be the last one picked from our current lineup.......the caveat to that is unless he can play another role.

......which being 3rd tall / backup ruck....he has been doing. Take that away from him and he becomes less valuable as a pure mid IMO.
Dont disagree he lacks pace but he isnt alone there and our midfield as a whole can exposed by pace as we saw vs the Swans and likewise they dont get back to help on the rebound either apart from Acres but thats the risk you take when your one wood is bigger contested mids.
Id have Kennedy competing with Hewett as the last mid picked and some may argue vs a team like the Swans only one of them can play. I see Kennedy as having more variety in his game in roles he can play making him a bit more valuable but thats just my opinion. In terms of rucking Im not a real fan of the 3rd tall type ruck at that 190cm height and prefer to see Harry or Cripps contesting when its not Pittonet or TDK available. Kosi is 196cm or 198cm/96kg depending on which website you read and thats too big for Kennedy imo and while he wasnt injured in that ruck contest directly  he shouldnt have been competing in the first place imo..

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #79 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
A couple things....
Firstly, when does Cripps, Kennedy or Harry get through a game without wrestling with a strong/heavy opponent? Happens every game regardless of where they play.
Hell, we've seen Durdin, Owies, Fantasia, Fogarty try and outwrestle KPD's in marking contests, sometimes 2 on 1, multiple times as well.

What happened was a complete accident due to the fact Kennedy was off balance and out of position due to the contact with Taranto. Don't make this a ruck injury because its not.

Secondly, since when has Kennedy been a 'valuable mid' ?

Over half the people on this forum have ommitted him from our best 22 in the latest incarnation.
Thats on a par with Lachie Cowan and Jack Martin in terms of cementing their place in the side.

He is a 'borderline best 22' player and its exactly those types that need multiple strings to their bow to give them a spot in the team.
Kennedy out and someone like Carroll in and we are not losing much. Truth be told, we added a mid for a small this week and probably could bring in another small to cover kennedy and not notice one bit.

FWIW, Cripps and Kosi are 3cm and 3kg difference. which is about the same difference as Cripps to Kennedy which is twice the difference from Kennedy to Walsh.
Question: Why doesn't Kennedy and Cripps' weight advantage injury midfielders every week given the relative weight difference is the same as Kosi to Kennedy?
Answer: Because it was a freak accident that was not about relative size/strength difference at all.

Officially Matthew Kennedy is 188cm and 91kg, Jacob Koschitzke is 196cm and 95kg, and Patrick Cripps is 195cm and 93kg (although weights are no longer official).

If you watch the footage closely, you will see Kennedy drop to one knee with the taller, heavier Koschitzke pushing his shoulder.  Koschitzke continues to push Kennedy and his knee buckles under him with an unnatural flex and that causes the ligament damage.  The particular nature of the ruck contest - Koschitzke pushing Kennedy and Kennedy trying to block Koschitzke's path to the ball - and the size differential are significant factors in the injury outcome.  A contest with Liam Baker or Tim Taranto would not involve grappling for position and Kennedy would have shrugged them off, even with the foot clash.

The bottom line is that Kennedy's injury happened while he was competing with Koschitzke in a ruck contest.  Koschitzke took clean possession and kicked the ball forward resulting in a shot at goal and a behind to Baker.

Kennedy is a valuable midfielder both for his ability to give Cripps a spell and help out with his physical presence.  For the record, I had him as the 23rd man in my best 22.  That 22 included Docherty, Cuningham, Martin, Cottrell and Motlop so Kennedy is well-entrenched as a midfielder in the best available 22.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #80 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Officially Matthew Kennedy is 188cm and 91kg, Jacob Koschitzke is 196cm and 95kg, and Patrick Cripps is 195cm and 93kg (although weights are no longer official).

For the record, what i found for heights and weights (which vary site by site) was...
Kennedy 190 and 90
Cripps 195 and 93
Kosi 198 and 96
and
Walsh 182 and 83

So the gap between Kosi and Kennedy is as big as the gap between Kennedy and Walsh in both weight and height.
 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #81 –
The other thing to consider is the athletic abilities of both Kennedy and Kosi...apart from being bigger from what I have seen of both players Id also be backing Kosi to jump higher as well giving him a even greater advantage.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #82 –
This was posted on the CFC twitter account a few minutes ago :

Matthew Kennedy (knee)
• Experienced knee soreness out of the game on Sunday however scans have cleared him of damage to his knee
• Will aim to train later this week in order to be available to play
• Availability: Test

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #83 –
And I should also add :

Tom De Koning (managed)
• Will aim to train fully this week
• Availability: Test

Matthew Cottrell (foot)
• Availability: Test

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #84 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
This was posted on the CFC twitter account a few minutes ago :

Matthew Kennedy (knee)
• Experienced knee soreness out of the game on Sunday however scans have cleared him of damage to his knee
• Will aim to train later this week in order to be available to play
• Availability: Test
That is great news - a blessing and a surprise
As is TDK and Cottrell. All coming together at the right time.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #85 –
If Kennedy is right I'd  be tempted to give him the week off or just do a swap with Hewett as sub.
That's the happy, strong position we find ourselves in...and it's been a long time coming ;D .

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Lods – on
If Kennedy is right I'd  be tempted to give him the week off or just do a swap with Hewett as sub.
That's the happy, strong position we find ourselves in...and it's been a long time coming ;D .
Give him the week off. No need to play him.

Got a few potential ins coming back from injury this week, or last, that would be perfect for the sub role.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #88 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I posted this last night. Do I get different news to everyone else?

People don't read, they just post.

PaulP posted something 'he just read online' about us challenging the Boyd ban and something about when it might be.

The last 2 sentences in the post directly above it said the same thing, with more information.
Clearly Paul didn't read the previous post.

It happens a lot.
Don't take it to heart.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #89 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I posted this last night. Do I get different news to everyone else?

There was some optimism yesterday, but the diagnosis and prognosis was only confirmed today.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!