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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #105 –
Quote from: LP – on
Yesterday, BigH was red hot in the opening term, then TDK rolls his ankle and our red hot KPF is moved up the ground and out of F50
simply because we went into the game without a viable plan B. That's not a viable option, it's not a plan, taking our only functional KPF and sending them out of goal range is insanity.

What's harder to find, a functional KPF or a competitive ruck?

The game was then over for the next 2-1/2 qtrs, what happened in the last was all too late and too little, partly triggered by GWS' own moves.

 The same will likely happen on GF Day if we suffer a similar circumstance. Sure it's rare, but so are GF appearances.

What we did in the last quarter yesterday isn't sustainable, it comes at a huge cost and it will impact us in the coming weeks, that impact will also come on top of any potential injuries from putting legless blokes back on the field.

Next week, TDK, Weiters and maybe McGovern are our new Kennedy.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. We'd kicked 1 goal before TDK got injured.



1. Harry was rucking in parts of the first quarter when he was on fire.

2. Where did TDK injure himself? In defense helping out.

Best we not hurt out KPPs by rucking them, they might get hurt.
Maybe we shouldnt expect our rucks to act like KPPs, they might get hurt!

Maybe what happened yesterday is unavoidable and extenuating circumstances.

Trying to be prepared for the 2% chance of covering for an injured ruck, might mean you don't win enough games to make the GF because you are playing sub-standard players like Young to cover in such instances.

How about we play to our strengths.
Use our super athletic CHF giant to help out in the ruck.
Use our super strong and tall midfield to help out in the ruck.

Young plays last night, i dont think we win that game. There was no other options to play.

Midfield was sub-par, but that was not because of our ruck efforts.
It was because we played Kennedy despite having his leg amputated the week before in a nasty ruck clash and dropped Hewett.....and because we keep persisting with Fantasia at the expense of Owies (this week) and Cuningham, Motlop, Martin (when fit).

Cottrell.....maybe came in too soon to be effective as well. He has missed A LOT of football.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #106 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
100%
I though TDK got monstered by their ruckman
In fairness to TDK, it was after he injured himself, you could see he couldn't put any pressure on his foot and wasn't able to jump or was told not to risk jumping, we will never know.

Before that he dominated, in fact he and BigH were dominating early.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #107 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
100%
I though TDK got monstered by their ruckman
TDK got some clearances and was handy around the ground but Briggs made sure he didnt dominate like we need him to and won the hitouts easily.
I think TDK will appreciate playing on English this week from the WB who is less of the push and shove type ruck and more the athletic type similar to himself. Briggs does a lot of pushing often before the ball is in the contest and reminds me of Nankervis, neither can jump like our man but like to make contact early and then stand their ground and use their strength.
I wouldnt be rushing to pick Pittonet this week either just based on that game....

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #108 –
Quote from: LP – on
In fairness to TDK, it was after he injured himself, you could see he couldn't put any pressure on his foot and wasn't able to jump or was told not to risk jumping, we will never know.

Before that he dominated, in fact he and BigH were dominating early.

He got injured in the first 5 minutes. Look at what i just posted showing him on the bench with the time showing.
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #109 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
TDK got some clearances and was handy around the ground but Briggs made sure he didnt dominate like we need him to and won the hitouts easily.
I think TDK will appreciate playing on English this week from the WB who is less of the push and shove type ruck and more the athletic type similar to himself. Briggs does a lot of pushing often before the ball is in the contest and reminds me of Nankervis, neither can jump like our man but like to make contact early and then stand their ground and use their strength.
I wouldnt be rushing to pick Pittonet this week either just based on that game....

English got concussed, so won't be him.

I'd rest TDK and let Pitto have his way.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #110 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
He got injured in the first 5 minutes. Look at what i just posted showing him on the bench with the time showing.
TDK was all over Briggs before he rolled his ankle, BigH was anchored in F50, and when TDK went off we rucked Cripps which isn't desirable or sustainable.

You want Cripps bench time maximised to keep him fresh, then you think he should be wrestling opposition rucks while he is on the ground in a midfield rotation, it's truly bizarre.

The reason the MC played the game out with TDK and Weiters on one leg, is because the Plan B option isn't viable.

BigH kicks his 2nd and immediately goes into the ruck, robbing us of the F50 dominance, and delivers GWS a fast break clearance for their 1st goal.

We lost yesterday.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #111 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
TDK got some clearances and was handy around the ground but Briggs made sure he didnt dominate like we need him to and won the hitouts easily.
I think TDK will appreciate playing on English this week from the WB who is less of the push and shove type ruck and more the athletic type similar to himself. Briggs does a lot of pushing often before the ball is in the contest and reminds me of Nankervis, neither can jump like our man but like to make contact early and then stand their ground and use their strength.
I wouldnt be rushing to pick Pittonet this week either just based on that game....

Just wondering if TDK will come up fit though?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #112 –
If Charlie was actually competitive with his opponent we would have won.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #113 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
If Charlie was actually competitive with his opponent we would have won.
Charlie as a dual Coleman gets a lot of focus, leaving him as a one out against multiple defenders doesn't make life easier.

Fans aren't giving the benefit of the twin towers enough credit, lose one either through injury or tactics more than halves their impact. Together they are more than the sum of the individuals, we hurt ourselves when we move BigH into the ruck.

Keep them in combination for the bulk of the game, and then later in the game one or the other maybe both can shine.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #114 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
If Charlie was actually competitive with his opponent we would have won.
Some truth in that. I thought Charlie was poor. Too often trying to finesse possession rather than going in hard and second efforts virtually non existent. A very disappointing performance with one eye maybe too focused on a possible medal or maintaining his personal record?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #115 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
English got concussed, so won't be him.

I'd rest TDK and let Pitto have his way.
Ok...might be Lobb and Darcy jr rucking, that would suit us.
Wasnt Naughton who was concussed? or both?

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #116 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Ok...might be Lobb and Darcy jr rucking, that would suit us.
Wasnt Naughton who was concussed? or both?
Yes, McNaughton and O'Donnell, they are likely to be without Jones and Weightman as well. But O'Donnell being injured on top of Jones out leaves them light on for KPDs, it's expected Lobb will go back again.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #117 –
Our backline has lacked flexibility since we lost Jones and Young has failed to take over his role.

Opposition teams KPFs are getting bulkier and taller and when we have the combination of our midfield having an off day and Weitering playing below par because of injury our defence weaknesses are exposed.

Unfortunately the VFL cupboard is empty and we look likely to be going into the finals hoping that we can avoid injuries, otherwise we are in for a lot of pain.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #118 –
Not a bad thing. If we won being utterly lazy for 2 qtrs. we'd only go and do it again. This loss will sharpen them mentally. Normally when our foot goes off the throat we explode again with a run of goals when sides get within a kick, or reset at 3/4 time smash the opposition unmercifully. Last time we played GWS we were 20 down mid 3rd qtr, then we raised the pressure rating to a record 240 and kicked 6 goals in 10 min. Couldn't switch back on last night until we were 6 goals down. That would be less likely to occur as we got to the very pointy end but it's not a bad thing to get a big lesson like that round 17.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #119 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
Our backline has lacked flexibility since we lost Jones and Young has failed to take over his role.

Opposition teams KPFs are getting bulkier and taller and when we have the combination of our midfield having an off day and Weitering playing below par because of injury our defence weaknesses are exposed.

Unfortunately the VFL cupboard is empty and we look likely to be going into the finals hoping that we can avoid injuries, otherwise we are in for a lot of pain.
We should of put Charlie down back.