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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #165 –
Quote from: LP – on
Charlie has a full 3rd of the ground in which he can roam and still stay within goal range, it's enough.

Sending Charlie Curnow to the other end of the ground out of range of goal is a win for the opposition.

Moves are of any value if they are stupid.

Go back and watch some.games from the first third of the season and come back here and say that again with a straight face.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #166 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
There was a 75 point turnaround or something like that.
I get that coaches rarely.make.moves  nowadays but f*** me, surely you try something before it gets to that stage! To not do so is just sadistic.

For the life of me.i can't work out why Charlie didn't swing into defence. He's saved the day a few times doing that. Vossy has said he has a license to do it as he sees fit. WTF were we waiting for?

Moving the magnets wouldn’t have changed anything.  A flea in the ear or boot up the butt might have worked.

GWS probably fell into the same trap in the last quarter.  It was attitude and application that made the difference, not positional changes.

Think back to the Geelong game.  Scott moved Stewart into the forward line to replace the injured Hawkins … for five minutes before moving him back to defence.

Games are won and lost in the preparation, scenario planning, team selection and attitude.  The latter two elements cost us the game.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #167 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Go back and watch some.games from the first third of the season and come back here and say that again with a straight face.
The dying moments of a game when defending a lead holds no relevance to needing to score goals in the second quarter.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #168 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
A few of us have mentioned the same thing in a more specific way.

But.....
Can anyone remember a single move Voss made for the night?

Was ANYONE tried in a different position?

I think the drink bottle was full of their own bath water from the MC down.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #169 –
Of our last 5 wins the foot went off the throat too often. We weren't great again GC, left percentage out there, great against Port, lazy often against Essendon, getting a left, foot off the throat, exploding in the first 15 minutes of the last qtr when they got within 15pts, then taking the foot off the throat again. Brilliant against Geelong, lazy against Richmond until challenged, then exploded, then got a lead, foot off the throat yet again against GWS and this time couldn't explode paying the price. We seem to rip sides apart as we feel like it but caught out last week. Once too often.

On the bright side means we are far from peaked.
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #170 –
The injury sub is supposed to be just that, to cover injury. The whole supersub coming ont he last quarter and turning games is fantasy, it has hardly happened.

Considering we can cover every player but Weitering and our one ruck, the sub should be Young.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #171 –
We cannot expect Cripps & Walsh to get 40 possies every game so the players on the next level down need to pick up the slack when they don't.

In fact maybe don't wait for them to not fire, how about just going for it every week anyway ??

Hewett was missed badly too.

And FFS, never ever ever ever ever ever play Fantasia in a senior game again - he's kaput and always has been !!

"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #172 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The injury sub is supposed to be just that, to cover injury. The whole supersub coming ont he last quarter and turning games is fantasy, it has hardly happened.

Considering we can cover every player but Weitering and our one ruck, the sub should be Young.
We agree something has to be tweaked, so many questions;

Do we retain the status quo and rob the F50 of Charlie or Harry if a KPD or ruck goes down?

Do we carry a KPP Sub that might be a weak option for both KPD and ruck?

Do we start with a strong KPP option on the bench and use a Utility Sub that can provide later run if needed?

There are no easy answers.

I'm very reticent to make regular use of Charlie in D50, if we start doing that too regularly the opposition will learn the triggers to make the even happen synthetically. We need that tactic to remain largely unplanned so as to remain somewhat in control.

If not the Sub, is Young a viable choice for the bench?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #173 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The injury sub is supposed to be just that, to cover injury. The whole supersub coming ont he last quarter and turning games is fantasy, it has hardly happened.

Considering we can cover every player but Weitering and our one ruck, the sub should be Young.

Vossy said that we are using the sub to spread the workload.  The problem with that is when an injury means the sub is activated in the first quarter.  I guess that’s the risk you’d have to take with Young as the sub.  Our other defenders are versatile enough to cover other roles and Young could play at either end or in the ruck.

I have noticed other teams using a KPP as sub.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #174 –
I hear what Voss is saying but week after week it's a very same same bench (Kennedy + Hewitt = one paced  = doesn't exactly change it up speed wise) with four smalls and no height.  A taller utility type would give us more cover but I don't see that player on the list.  We can't cover taller players with the way we set up the bench.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #175 –
Bollocks to not moving Charlie back too.   We could have put him behind the ball to help intercept when we copped 14 goals in two quarters scoring only 2 ourselves.  It's arguable that he could have prevented the easy marks Hogan ended up with in presence alone whilst weitering was off the ground getting treatment in the second.  Yes the mids were allowing it in too easily, but this tactic could have been used sliding the magnets around even as shock value.  You don't need to win the ball out of the centre or score yourself.  You just have to stop the opposition momentum when they are hot.  We didn't even try. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #176 –
We didn't need anyone behind the ball in the last, and we ran over GWS despite them subbing off Aleer for another running type.

The problem wasn't in our D50, and moving Charlie would have weakened one of our strengths while doing little to boost our defence.

When Charlie floats back in games, our intent isn't to score, it's to defend a lead. If we move Charlie back sometime in the 2nd-Qtr, we are moving forward with a greatly diminished scoring potential.

If it was to be a shootout, we had to start scoring, we did but it was a Qtr too late!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #177 –
Charlie has gone back numerous times when we have been behind and under seige.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #178 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Charlie has gone back numerous times when we have been behind and under seige.
Really, how does that happen under the 6-6-6 rule?

I'd assert in general play he has the opportunity to float back, but when an opponent is scoring from fast breaks or rebound it hasn't happened, because of the reset.

Further, if we moved him back while we were behind, that is to start in D50, we've just robbed Peter to pay Paul. That would be almost as bad as taking the bloke who just kicked your first couple of goals and sending him off the field or up the field to ruck! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #179 –
The 6-6-6 rule lasts for 3 seconds. Did you know scoring from centre clearances is actually lower now than it was before the rule came in?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!