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Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #15 –
It's not complicated.

Males compete against males.
Females compete against males.
Intersex compete against males.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #16 –
It's not that simple though...
This is a different situation from someone transitioning later in life.

If you want to fight that Caitlyn Jenner shouldn't be allowed to compete against Masters women in track and field competitions I'll jump in the trench with you. I suspect Jenner would be right there with us.

But if you're born with female anatomy and lived your life as a female you would have competed against women all your life in sporting competitions...maybe not knowing that there is part of your genetic make-up that is not exclusively female.
This is not a case of a woman transitioning to a man, or a man transitioning to a woman.
Genetic testing isn't done on a Saturday afternoon before the event in junior competitions.
It's something you have to deal with when you a reach a level of world and Olympic Championships.

This is not a simple XX and XY debate.
It is super complicated and I reckon there would be many women running around in those Saturday afternoon competitions...some with extra muscle definition, or perhap other aspects of their physical appearance that is just a little bit different from their team-mates, who have no idea of their exact genetic make-up but who regard themselves and are regarded as totally female. In some case it gives them a physical advantage.
Do we want to test all these women before we decide whether they're in the Mens, Womens or Everyone else.
I suspect that 'Everyone else' group is much larger than folks realise.

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #17 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm certainly not claiming to be an expert....In fact the opposite. The initial reaction to this from many  was "it's  a man beating up a woman". Five minutes of looking a bit deeper and the situation is much more complicated and folks with a lot more information and expertise in this area than any of us have decided it all sits within the rules.

I agree, and certainly not including you in the social media harmfulness and toxicity.

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #18 –
Wemby had a 61cm advantage over his Japanese opponent and that’s a product of genetics.  Perhaps we should ban folk who have a competitive advantage through the vagaries of DNA.

Khelif competed at the Tokyo Olympics without any fuss.  Perhaps she didn’t land a lucky punch there 🤔
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #19 –
This whole debate, like all such debates, is garbage. All of us exist on a spectrum of strength, skill, athletic ability etc. Should Kenyan and Ethiopian long distance runners be banned for having a few genetic advantages ? What about swimmers with unnaturally large feet ?

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #20 –
Quote from: Lods – on
It's not that simple though...
This is a different situation from someone transitioning later in life.

They have xy. OK.

Were they aware of that previously?

Besides that, is there any other 'evidence' of being a male?

Point I'm getting at is that is appears to be possible that 'the girl next door' that you've known her whole life could be disqualified from the Olympics because they have some screwy chromosomes that they were never made aware of.

I could be female for all I know.

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #21 –
Going off on a slight tangent, why is boxing still considered a sport in 2024 ? You have two people beating the sh1t out of each other and what we are interested in is who is the best at doing that.

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #22 –
Then just remove gender from all sports.

Women  intersex, trans etc. can watch the better athletes from the sidelines.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #23 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Going off on a slight tangent, why is boxing still considered a sport in 2024 ? You have two people beating the sh1t out of each other and what we are interested in is who is the best at doing that.

Hallelujah! Exactly same page here, Pauly. To be frank, I don't get boxing as a sport... full stop. With more recent medical discoveries and knowledge regarding CTEs, this seems like a sport to give CTE experts work to do! Yes, I get that most sports strain various parts of the body resulting in future issues, but brain injury is an entire different ball game, so to speak. Not a part of your body you want damaged.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Hallelujah! Exactly same page here, Pauly. To be frank, I don't get boxing as a sport... full stop. With more recent medical discoveries and knowledge regarding CTEs, this seems like a sport to give CTE experts work to do! Yes, I get that most sports strain various parts of the body resulting in future issues, but brain injury is an entire different ball game, so to speak. Not a part of your body you want damaged.

Worse than that, why has UFC/MMA rissen to the heights it has despite everyone knowing the CTE issues. That is more brutal.
 

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #25 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
This whole debate, like all such debates, is garbage. All of us exist on a spectrum of strength, skill, athletic ability etc. Should Kenyan and Ethiopian long distance runners be banned for having a few genetic advantages ? What about swimmers with unnaturally large feet ?

Funny thing is your perspective is absolutely valid. DNA is very relevant!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #26 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Worse than that, why has UFC/MMA rissen to the heights it has despite everyone knowing the CTE issues. That is more brutal.

Yep. UFC and those cages... barbarism. And fans baying for blood and severe harm is just bewildering.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #27 –
Why is football legal? Car racing?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #28 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Why is football legal? Car racing?

Maybe because the primary objective is not to bash someones brains in?

There are plenty of things you can appreciate about the athleticism and skill required to compete in all the sports mentioned, doesn't mean it should be done.
We know longer have gladiator fighting tigers....albeit as entertaining as they might be in its own way.

Re: Paris Olympics - swipes, gripes, controversies and triumphs

Reply #29 –
Cricket. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?