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Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #60 –
Another player who has the knack of being on the ground all day and being invisible.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #61 –
I can't watch it, I can't listen to it and I can't follow it on the internet. I know when push comes to shove, Carlton will lose. We lose because we don't want to win. We have a Club culture of heroic failure. It doesn't matter who the players are, who the coaches are, who the CEO or President is, it doesn't matter who is on the Committee or who is running the Football Department, Carlton will lose and when they are certain of losing they will have a go and get close and when they just fail they will talk about would'ves, could'ves and should'ves. Two seasons ago we just miss out on the finals because of a couple of heart break losses, then last season we are so out of it and then turn it around and make the Preliminary Final, this year we get to the point where we are facing our destiny and we turn it up. They love the supporters loving them but they don't love us back.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #62 –
From the second half that I did see, I thought Kemp played very well.  Acres got a lot of it, crippa, George, Walsh were good.

One thing I noticed as well as the lack of shepherding for each other was also the not make space for each other, not running hard for each other - the amount of times out kick in took an eternity was because no one was making a lead.

The aggression and will in the last quarter needs to be maintained thru an entire game, not just when we’re trying to stay in it.  Of course McG isn’t to blame but Fck me what a horrible kick.

I saw a Collingwood supporting friend yday before the game who said we’ll smash them - I said we are more likely to lose than smash them. Of course they also weren’t going to let their 400 gamer down (Altho McG almost stopped that party!)

The loss of TDK has been a killer and agree players are getting rushed back from injuries and we’ve said it before but seriously does any other club have the continuing injury horrors like we do!? 

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Another player who has the knack of being on the ground all day and being invisible.
I listened to the 2’d quarter on the radio and they talked of Collingwood players getting into Jesse and getting very physical - I didn’t hear of any Carlton player coming in to help - that was on the radio so maybe not 100% accurate but maybe he was rattled after it?

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
I listened to the 2’d quarter on the radio and they talked of Collingwood players getting into Jesse and getting very physical - I didn’t hear of any Carlton player coming in to help - that was on the radio so maybe not 100% accurate but maybe he was rattled after it?
him and mcreery were getting into each other.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #65 –
Bingo....it's dawned on me too....TdK is our most important player.

Waited 8 years for him to show up, finally plays dominant series of games then some chopper takes him out.

This is what irks me - we're too nice and get bullied for it. During that game someone should have buried a knee into that chopper and sent a message, f with us and you'll get it back.  But no, we just quietly take it and take...the path set for us by the AFL after the salary scandal.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #66 –
We showed plenty of fight in the last primarily inspired by Crippa but it was a fight to get out of a scrape we should not have put ourselves in. Anyway, brutal assessment, this is not our year. We need to reassess, fix the gaps in our list and get super strong for 2025. The window is closing and new younger teams are emerging!
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #67 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
We showed plenty of fight in the last primarily inspired by Crippa but it was a fight to get out of a scrape we should not have put ourselves in. Anyway, brutal assessment, this is not our year. We need to reassess, fix the gaps in our list and get super strong for 2025. The window is closing and new younger teams are emerging!
It wasn't our year last year until it nearly was.

We had a worse form slump last year, but for a supporter base that is steeped in history and loves to relive it, we seem to forget what happened a mere 12 months ago.

Don't lose hope yet.

It can turn quickly.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #68 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
I listened to the 2’d quarter on the radio and they talked of Collingwood players getting into Jesse and getting very physical - I didn’t hear of any Carlton player coming in to help - that was on the radio so maybe not 100% accurate but maybe he was rattled after it?

Motlop gets in peoples faces plenty. Threw out a few don't argues and goes in hard at the contest.
If we could get Fantasia to do the same, he might be in the side.

Some people may have missed some of the things Motlop did, partially because the commentators (on TV at least, probably same for radio) can't tell the difference between him and Martin.
At least 3 times they called the wrong name in reference to those 2.  ::)

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #69 –
I'm not exactly sure where the issues lie. I'm not sure if it's the undeniable reality that all teams have up and down periods, injuries, fatigue, selection etc. I don't think it's about this or that position. It's not IMO about small forwards, or rucks, or key defenders. Too many of our players just seem in poor form.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #70 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Motlop gets in peoples faces plenty. Through out a few don't argues and goes in hard at the contest.
If we could get Fantasia to do the same, he might be in the side.

Some people may have missed some of the things Motlop did, partially because the commentators (on TV at least, probably same for radio) can't tell the difference between him and Martin.
At least 3 times they called the wrong name in reference to those 2.  ::)
This is pretty atrocious.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #71 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Lods,

Almost thirty years of mediocrity.  Almost every club has won a flag in that period, except us.  And we've been so bad we made West Coast look good.

And we loose every single important game - milestones, rivalry games... Any game that actually matters for something.

So many of us long-termers have had enough of the slogans,  lies and bulldust.  Respect for Pendles blah blah blah....how about respecting US the fans by turning up and having a fair dinkum go, not the bulldust we've seen this year....flog Geelong and then win one quarter in six weeks?  Really!?!  How about WINNING something?

It was the coaches that always wore the blame, maybe its the players, but this club has serious issues from top to bottom.

Yes Prof
I've shared your pain over the last 30 years.
The problem we face is that, like it or not....this is the group!
If they don't succeed we're back to another period of rebuilding the side because there are few developing in the VFL that have a chance of reaching the heights of the Cripps, McKay, Curnow and Weitering.

We'd need a new spine.
So this is it.
It's a window of about 4-5 years.

The talent on the list is good enough.
The consistency of playing together is all over the shop.
And we lack one vital missing piece in the form of a tall (talented) defender to help out Weitering and those surrounding him. Players like Kemp and McGovern would be freed up of responsibillities in certain areas and be more effective.
We're not getting that extra tall this year....and developing our own will take a big chunk out of our window time.
We need to look elsewhere, at other clubs.

Folks are upset and angry this morning because of how we lost and who we lost against.
If McGovern had kicked that goal there may still have been criticism of certain players but the vibe in here would be vastly different and the criticism much reduced.

But Kruddler is right, in terms of this year, it can turn quickly.
We took that downturn soon enough.
With a bit of luck, the upturn can be just as significant.
Consider that 4-5 weeks ago we were sitting second on the ladder a game and a half clear of third.
Was there the same negativity then.
It's transient, hopeully this slump is the same.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
I listened to the 2’d quarter on the radio and they talked of Collingwood players getting into Jesse and getting very physical - I didn’t hear of any Carlton player coming in to help - that was on the radio so maybe not 100% accurate but maybe he was rattled after it?

We're a nice team, unfortunately nice teams don't win many premierships.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #73 –
Quote from: tex – on
Pies do the basics right. We don’t. Dunno how many times we didn’t have basic front and centres.

Basically this. Two pieces of play stood out for me. In the 3rd q after 2 consecutive goals , Walshy streaming forward out of the centre again, kicks the ball to the WRONG (boundary) side of can’t-remember-who. C’wood player marks and the momentum was lost. I think they got a goal from the rebound. Ball needed to be a couple of metres to the right.

Much has been said about his disposal into the F50 so I guess this was another stat in that  dept.

Second example - same quarter, after struggling to clear out of the backline, pass is to Cincotta who elects to go for the chest mark rather than extend the arms. Ball is spoiled and, again, they get a goal from the turnover.

Seemingly minor incidents in isolation but, as Tex said, in such close games, it’s often the basics.
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #74 –
That's my fear Lods, we've put the best part of ten years into developing a core of Cripps Walsh Chuck Harry Weeters and TdK, now we look like pissing it away before looking at rebuild number #587.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?