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Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #75 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We're a nice team, unfortunately nice teams don't win many premierships.

Can’t believe how we put up with McCreery bullying us.

And that free to Cox and the beautiful rugby throw through for a rushed behind. Ugh.
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #76 –
I don't really have an opinion on whether we are nice, too nice, or not nice enough, or how this compares to other current teams, but if true, then Voss is the best man for the job. With his level of ferocity, competitiveness, and white line fever, if he can't rectify this, nobody can.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #77 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'm not exactly sure where the issues lie. I'm not sure if it's the undeniable reality that all teams have up and down periods, injuries, fatigue, selection etc. I don't think it's about this or that position. It's not IMO about small forwards, or rucks, or key defenders. Too many of our players just seem in poor form.

Yeah, we can speculate all we like but none of us ‘outsiders’ can possibly know where the issue lies or even if there is an issue (other than not good enough).

It’s perplexing as hell though. We were/are so close.

I’m wondering if Voss falls into that category of being such a champion player that he just expects others to execute perfectly every time, rather than getting them to focus on one specific task or skill set which benefits the team while sacrificing their personal gain.

McCrae wasn’t exactly a superstar but his players lock into a system and ‘connected’ more seamlessly than we did for most of the night.

For instance, why didn’t anyone stick like glue to Bobby Hill all night? The guy won a premiership off his own bat last year yet was paid little respect for most of the game.

Bringing Cox in was a no brainer given the absence of TDK. Cameron took 6 marks and Pittonet zero. Although, to be fair, I thought Pittonet’s last quarter was enormous and was instrumental in our comeback.

Another positive was Crippa probably picked up votes again.

Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #78 –
Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on
Yeah, we can speculate all we like but none of us ‘outsiders’ can possibly know where the issue lies or even if there is an issue (other than not good enough).

It’s perplexing as hell though. We were/are so close.

I’m wondering if Voss falls into that category of being such a champion player that he just expects others to execute perfectly every time, rather than getting them to focus on one specific task or skill set which benefits the team while sacrificing their personal gain.

McCrae wasn’t exactly a superstar but his players lock into a system and ‘connected’ more seamlessly than we did for most of the night.

For instance, why didn’t anyone stick like glue to Bobby Hill all night? The guy won a premiership off his own bat last year yet was paid little respect for most of the game.

Bringing Cox in was a no brainer given the absence of TDK. Cameron took 6 marks and Pittonet zero. Although, to be fair, I thought Pittonet’s last quarter was enormous and was instrumental in our comeback.

Another positive was Crippa probably picked up votes again.

I think the fluctuations in form and W/L are inevitable. I'm not sure it's related to structure or effort. We've both won and lost games with Weitering as the sole KPD, with 1 or 2 rucks, with essentially the same collection of small forwards. There's something outside of those things IMO, but I've got no idea what it is. Voss seemed somewhat pleased with the game last  night, as least in comparison to the last few. I just hope we win the last couple of games. Time really is running out.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #79 –
The same pattern for 5 weeks, playing one random brilliant qtr, This week it was the last.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #80 –
With a calmer, cooler head I just watched the game again.

1. At seasons beginning we declared that we want to be more consistent in games and week to week. To this stage, we've not delivered on this. And at this end of the season there are too many worrying signs similar to 2022.

2. To last night's game. Not enough reward for effort early not only cost us confidence and scoreboard pressure, but it kept the Dagpies in the game.

3. Rottingwood were smarter at crucial moments in the second and third quarter. They parked themselves in front of H and Charles in packs realising our boys will tap it down to their feet. So they had many spoilers in the packs and plenty at the feet of the packs.

4. To individualize. Ollie was good but needs to pin arms in tackles, too often grabs opponents around the waist leaving their arms free. Too many of our blokes try to take chest marks (Charles!) rather than stick the claws out... Cinc was also guilty of this, and others. Jordan Boyd, too many panicky kick and hopes.

5. Game plan. When we focus on defence, we seem to put too much pressure on ourselves and paradoxically invite the opposition into the game by slowing the game too much - this seems too one-dimensional ...resulting in fumbles and safe decisions. However, when we take the game on (attacking game plan) we look so much more dangerous and create all manner of unexpected opportunities - confusing the opposition and giving our talent more opportunities to show their wares. Time to trust our attacking/speed on the aggott/game more?

6. We never dropped our bundle... though when being too defensive we fail/limit (to) give ourselves the opportunity to keep the scoreboard ticking over (scoreboard pressure). Contrary to what I may have indicated earlier, we are not soft above the shoulders and perhaps growing our mental toughness further would be to show more trust in ourselves and team mates?

7. Noteworthy individual endeavours and efforts: Weiters, Gov, Kempy, Saady, Blacres, Elijah (recruit of the year), Crippa, Hewey, Walsh, Newey (that free kick against Newey to Cox was garbage), Chugga & Jack Martin.

8. Future. Hopefully we learn some very important things from that game: efficiency in front of goal, don't get mired in a defensive mindset, when we take the game on we see our best. Huge understatement to say we're at a critical point in our season. But we are still masters of our destiny.

I remain optimistic. We have the goods, but will we deliver.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #81 –
There are two things I wanted to see in this game - defending stoppages better and locking the ball in forward 50 because it was a lost cause last week and leaked too many goals and not tackling inside forward 50 enough. Did better here - leaders stepping up late in the last was too late... they had to identify it earlier and it had to be in the 2nd qtr. Chasing the game 32 pts down in the last was too much.. got close but a game that we should not have lost.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #82 –
Not sure if its been mentioned or not, but i wouldn't be surprised if McGovern misses next week with concussion.

He copped a knee/shin to the back of the head, you can see the collingwood bloke holding his leg in pain.
He took a long time to take his shot and spent a lot of time rubbing and shaking his head.
Obviously, his kick was terrible.

Reminded me of when Robbie Warnock did similarly against Geelong many years ago after getting punched in the head. IIRC he missed everything too, or at least barely got a point. He was talked about as being soft on the night. Ended up spending the night in hospital.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #83 –
If we took him off for concussion (like we got in trouble for not doing) and let Harry take it could you imagine the outcry?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #84 –
Baggers, I especially like point 5 in your analysis. Very noticeable to me but you said it better.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #85 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
If we took him off for concussion (like we got in trouble for not doing) and let Harry take it could you imagine the outcry?

There was ample time for the AFL to look at the footage and call out to the field umpire to sort it out.
They will be in as much trouble as us for not acting.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #86 –
We mess around with the ball too much and have a bad case of the early Trent Cotchins, had way more useless possessions that went nowhere and the Pies plan is just to rebound the footy quickly when we turn it over with us having no numbers behind the ball and getting caught out. They do it every game we play them and they never seem to control the play as much as us but know we will over use the ball and cough it up for easy goals.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #87 –
Quote from: laj – on
The same pattern for 5 weeks, playing one random brilliant qtr, This week it was the last.

Thus, the slippery slide from 2nd as contenders, to 8th as pretenders. A whisker from a Fail.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #88 –
Couldnt watch this one as we were in the road. Thought we lose and we did. Cant have two Coalman medalists in your side kicking 1 goal between them. We dont deserve to play finals the way we are travelling. Cant beat an egg, if we lose the remaining games there will be hell to pay.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 21 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #89 –
We had 8 points on the board q1. Nuff said.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.