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Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #15
Meek is close to AA ruck with a very hard unit at his feet....he'll flog Pitto and Cripps will have his hands full with three blokes hanging off him.  Game will be won and lost right there.

Yep pit was a non event last night. And while i hate blaming injuries losing TDK probably means year is done.

He is another midfielder and as we are so one paced in there he is faster then the opposition ruck so he tends to balance us up better. Pit is a trier decent if he gets he's hands to it in a ruck contest but after that we play one man short. 

 

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #16
Yep pit was a non event last night. And while i hate blaming injuries losing TDK probably means year is done.

He is another midfielder and as we are so one paced in there he is faster then the opposition ruck so he tends to balance us up better. Pit is a trier decent if he gets he's hands to it in a ruck contest but after that we play one man short.

Excuses excuses excuses.

Or doesn't that work if you are the one giving them?

Pittonet is no the reason we lost last night.
TDK played against Giants and dogs and we had the same results there.

There are 22 blokes who are underperforming as one right now.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #17
Well, Hawthorn gave up a big lead at 3/4 time, so they are beatable. But will we show up?
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #18
Another L I reckon.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #19
I got it wrong with the Pies game expecting us to rise to the occasion so Im not brave enough to call this one, Im just hoping the Hawks think its over for them as far as finals go and take the foot off the gas and we can take advantage even though we look like losing a few players. I wouldnt be playing half fit players this week and if Charlie in particular is borderline I would rest him and play someone like Kennedy at FF and alter the game plan to suit.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #20
I got it wrong with the Pies game expecting us to rise to the occasion so Im not brave enough to call this one, Im just hoping the Hawks think its over for them as far as finals go and take the foot off the gas and we can take advantage even though we look like losing a few players. I wouldnt be playing half fit players this week and if Charlie in particular is borderline I would rest him and play someone like Kennedy at FF and alter the game plan to suit.

One thing going for us, i hope, is that there will be a huge crowd there and we are used to playing in front of huge crowds.
Not sure the hawks can say the same and it may get the better of them.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #21
One thing going for us, i hope, is that there will be a huge crowd there and we are used to playing in front of huge crowds.
Not sure the hawks can say the same and it may get the better of them.
The loss they had today might have knocked a few of their younger players about and as you say the finals type atmosphere the game will have with a big crowd might affect a few of their younger players. Mitchell has done a great job with them and rebuilds often take time so they have come a long way and its hard not to be impressed with their energy and spirit and we need to break that early and bring the last quarter form vs the Pies into the game from the first bounce and hit them hard which is how Voss played his footy.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #22
They beat Richmond in front of 92,000.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!


Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #24
One thing going for us, i hope, is that there will be a huge crowd there and we are used to playing in front of huge crowds.
Not sure the hawks can say the same and it may get the better of them.
Did you see Ginnivans carry on against the Pies? The kid loves the big games and he’s got a few mates in that team that loved it too.


Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #25
Did you see Ginnivans carry on against the Pies? The kid loves the big games and he’s got a few mates in that team that loved it too.

Ginnivan is a different case. He came from that and loves the big stage, especially against his old mates.

I dunno, i've been to some big games (crowd wise) and i've been to some big games (carlton games) and we are a different breed.
Might be the european blood that we seem to have a monopoly on in the AFL. Just goes up a notch on other crowds.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #26
Yep pit was a non event last night. And while i hate blaming injuries losing TDK probably means year is done.

He is another midfielder and as we are so one paced in there he is faster then the opposition ruck so he tends to balance us up better. Pit is a trier decent if he gets he's hands to it in a ruck contest but after that we play one man short. 

I think seeing Pitto as a non-event on Saturday is too harsh. And believing no TDK no CFC is also, IMHO, an over statement.

Pitto did his best and provided important contests. No, not dominant and his around the ground influence needs to improve - taking marks especially, but in packs his strong tall body often sees him get first hands to the aggott and does get it to ground. Yes, we miss TDKs mobility and around the ground influence, but he aint out there at present so we need to adapt. Pitto will be important against the Dawks.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #27
Too often, the narrative surrounding Carlton focuses on individuals needing to lift.

The famous five always get a run: Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh, Charlie Curnow, Harry McKay and Jacob Weitering.

Then it’s Mitch McGovern, Adam Saad, Nic Newman, Adam Cerra, Jack Martin or Tom De Koning.

It’s fun, but it’s garbage.

The only way Carlton will return to serious contention is having players who are disciplined enough to stick to a system when the moment demands.

Because their turnover game is good enough to take them further if they do.

Amid all the drama at the MCG during Scott Pendlebury’s 400th match, it was an ongoing flaw in their system that cost the Blues again.

And we are not talking about McGovern’s wayward last kick for goal.

They failed to defend a defensive-50 stoppage when it mattered.

In the opening minutes of the final quarter, Adam Saad let Jamie Elliott loose to receive a Pendlebury handball and snap a goal from a defensive stoppage to make the margin a match-winning (albeit tight) 32 points.

The Blues went into the match having given up 10 goals more than any team from a defensive stoppage and ranked 18th for points from clearances in the previous four rounds, having given away 52 points.

It was the second time this season a defensive-50 stoppage had cost them against Collingwood. But they haven’t fixed it. And they are running out of time to do so.

They can be braver with their ball movement, too.

Fix those two issues and they have the talent – even with their injuries – to win the premiership.

Weitering and Newman do switch angles, but they often take too long to do so (unless they are trailing in the last quarter), limiting the prospect that overlap run will follow and a free target will be easier to find inside 50.

That pair are not natural risk-takers, and without McGovern taking intercept marks and with Saad’s willingness to run subdued, their forward line is more crowded than the Monash Freeway by the time the ball arrives.

That’s not helping Curnow – who is yet to fire in a final – nor McKay’s cause, particularly when they target the tall pair 60.1 per cent of the time (Curnow 33.2 and McKay 27.7) inside forward 50.

That’s because the Blues don’t have a small forward of the class of Collingwood’s Bobby Hill or Geelong’s Tyson Stengle, who kicked four goals each in the past two grand finals.

Martin has an x-factor. Although V/Line is more reliable than the talented Martin, given his injury history, the Blues need to think carefully before disposing him at the end of this contract.

Zac Williams is injured too, as is De Koning, who was missed against Collingwood when Darcy Cameron dominated Marc Pittonet. Adam Cerra has another hamstring injury. Matt Owies, Lachie Fogarty and Jesse Motlop try hard but don’t create chaos.

Cripps and Walsh can’t do any more to lead a midfield stacked with players who don’t often hit leading forwards on the chest and lack genuine leg speed.
So, adherence to the defensive system and the bravery to implement their offensive system is more important than ever for the Blues because the difference between them winning and losing is so marginal.

The combined losing margin of 43 points in the four losses they have endured in their past five games tell us that.

They are closer to success than McGovern’s kick. But the final step is akin to the Hillary Step on Mount Everest. It will take courage and discipline to make it.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #28
Ok, win this week we win the rest and finish top 4, even higher given sides above us play each other. Of course we have to win this week.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #29
Too often, the narrative surrounding Carlton focuses on individuals needing to lift.

The famous five always get a run: Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh, Charlie Curnow, Harry McKay and Jacob Weitering.

Then it’s Mitch McGovern, Adam Saad, Nic Newman, Adam Cerra, Jack Martin or Tom De Koning.

It’s fun, but it’s garbage.

The only way Carlton will return to serious contention is having players who are disciplined enough to stick to a system when the moment demands.

Because their turnover game is good enough to take them further if they do.

Amid all the drama at the MCG during Scott Pendlebury’s 400th match, it was an ongoing flaw in their system that cost the Blues again.

And we are not talking about McGovern’s wayward last kick for goal.

They failed to defend a defensive-50 stoppage when it mattered.

In the opening minutes of the final quarter, Adam Saad let Jamie Elliott loose to receive a Pendlebury handball and snap a goal from a defensive stoppage to make the margin a match-winning (albeit tight) 32 points.

The Blues went into the match having given up 10 goals more than any team from a defensive stoppage and ranked 18th for points from clearances in the previous four rounds, having given away 52 points.

It was the second time this season a defensive-50 stoppage had cost them against Collingwood. But they haven’t fixed it. And they are running out of time to do so.

Aaron Hamill? We want answers.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership