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Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #45 –
Quote from: laj – on
If we could somehow get into the 8 it would be a nice experience for the kids to play a final, even if they get thumped. Can only help. A refresh of a side can do wonders for a couple of games, especially against sides with nothing to play for.

You never know.. Be a big step up for a few.
was thinking about this scenario and have arrived at a horrific result thought process wise. 

Why wouldn't you play kids?

Draftee contracts usually have a match bonus payment condition attached. 

So why aren't we playing kids?  The cap is close to being overloaded.

We might be playing broken senior players because of out salary cap composition. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #46 –
Quote from: laj – on
6 years of massive injuries is enough to give us a fair idea.

How would you suggest we manage the injuries better? We gave Cerra and Saad 6 weeks to get over their hammy's. Do we give them 10 weeks? At some point they become a liability . They have to be able to play, we're not a rehab centre.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #47 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Maybe it has something to do with how we evaluate players before we recruit them? What criteria are used re player durability ? It’s very hard to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear so to speak.

The injury list over the years has been way too big for that. Even injury prone players mostly get back on the park long term if looked after well. Any injury prone player here had no hope.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #48 –
Quote from: laj – on
The injury list over the years has been way too big for that. Even injury prone players mostly get back on the park long term if looked after well. Any injury prone player here had no hope.
What are you talking about, Cerra came to us already with a history of soft tissue injury, and played 40 games in his first two seasons?

This is his first real injury interrupted season at Carlton, it can happen to anybody!

I'd assert our heavy duty inside football game style, makes soft tissue more likely, you just can't keep bashing a bruising quads and hammies, getting corkies, etc., etc., and not eventually have something tear!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #49 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
How would you suggest we manage the injuries better? We gave Cerra and Saad 6 weeks to get over their hammy's. Do we give them 10 weeks? At some point they become a liability . They have to be able to play, we're not a rehab centre.
That comes down to how you prepare  them after they recover. Knowing how to manage loads until they are strong enough to handle it. Making sure the tendons are functioning as well as the muscle as they improve at different rates. They work i  unison. as do ligaments, if there's tendon weakness the muscle will struggle. I've been there as a coach.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #50 –
Quote from: LP – on
What are you talking about, Cerra came to us already with a history of soft tissue injury, and played 40 games in his first two seasons?

This is his first real injury interrupted season at Carlton, it can happen to anybody!

Only as only prone as the person training you. Some might be more than others but most, if looked after, while eventually have prolonged playing continuity  Very few are that injury prone that this still keeps happens year after year after year,  6 years now  Thats more than injury prone spin.meaning soft tissue. Believe you me, I understand these things better than you ever will, it's my background.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #51 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
How would you suggest we manage the injuries better? We gave Cerra and Saad 6 weeks to get over their hammy's. Do we give them 10 weeks? At some point they become a liability . They have to be able to play, we're not a rehab centre.
probably bringing them back into the seniors way too early which means they exert themselves when half done and then stuff it up.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
was thinking about this scenario and have arrived at a horrific result thought process wise. 

Why wouldn't you play kids?

Draftee contracts usually have a match bonus payment condition attached. 

So why aren't we playing kids?  The cap is close to being overloaded.

We might be playing broken senior players because of out salary cap composition.

Salary caps are not that tight and don't work that way.

Any club worth their salt will aim for match payments for 23 players over 24 rounds (or whatever we actually play) and put that aside for every season. Whats left is what you play players from as in their base and above base payments.

You go a step further and allocate a certain part to any of the following you implement as a club (each club does it differently)
- Top (3, 5 or) 10 B+F finishers bonus
- Matches played threshold bonuses (kids get 10 - 15 - 20 bonuses IIRC, same for others potentially if you wish)
- individual KPI targets (eg # goals or goal assists etc)
- AFL award bonuses (AA, brownlow, coleman, 22U22 teams etc)

You set aside whatever 'bonuses' you want to pay. You add that to what you set aside with your match payments.
Then you pay players from whats left.

If you make finals, the AFL allows gives you the extra $'s required to pay players for their time.
If you win the GF there is an extra million to allocate IIRC as well.

In short, there is no financial incentive to NOT play the kids.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #53 –
Put your money on the Eagles.

VFL side is playing this week.....

Harry McKay (quad)
- Scans have confirmed he sustained quad injury on Sunday
- Availability: 1-2 weeks

Jack Martin (hamstring)
- Scans have confirmed a minor hamstring strain
- Availability: 1-2 weeks

Adam Saad (hamstring)
- Scans have confirmed a minor hamstring strain
- Availability: 1-2 weeks

Charlie Curnow (ankle)
- Experienced a sprained ankle on Sunday
- Availability: 1-2 weeks

Lachie Fogarty (collarbone)
- Experienced a fractured collarbone on Sunday
- Will miss the remainder of the 2024 season

Jordan Boyd (adductor)
- Experienced a significant adductor injury during the game on Sunday
- Will miss at least the remainder of the home and away season

Caleb Marchbank (concussion)
- Availability: 1-2 weeks

Orazio Fantasia (calf)
- Availability: Test

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #54 –
At least we have Fantasia!  ::)

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #55 –
There goes the Forward line.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #56 –
Newman   Weitering   Young
Cincotta    McGovern   Cowan
O Hollands  Cripps   Acres
E Hollands   Kemp    Kennedy
Owies          Lemmy    Motlop
Pitonett     Walsh    Lord

Hewett, Wilson, Carroll, Binns  

Sub Williams

That's the best I can do!!!   (With all the '1 - 2 weekers',  we're going to have a bloody strong team come the first week of the finals!!!! :) )

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #57 –
We'll win!
They'll have no idea how to handle the high expectations. ;)  :D

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
There goes the Forward line.

We'll be left with (an injured) Kennedy to carry the flag.
Fantasia will take up some grass.
Hope Motlop eats his weeties this week. Could be asked to do a bit.

Put Young back.

Put Weitering forward.

Its the only way we'll have half a chance.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #59 –
My side (not much choice) with all 6 of Curnow McKay Saad Boyd Fogarty Martin confirmed out
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership