Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #105 – August 15, 2024, 07:22:41 am Quote from: Shakin77 – on August 14, 2024, 03:53:36 pmAgainst the grain, but I wouldn't bring in Lemmey. He really hasn't shown enough and first game against someone like J.McGovern he could just be a liability.Go small with Mitch McGovern up forward and Young down back. Young can play on a man and Kemp can play the McGovern role. A combo of M.Kennedy and Cripps as a 2nd forward.Boyd > Cincotta back. C.Lord in.Fogarty > Durdin.Curnow > Young in. McGovern forwardSaad > Binns in. McKay > CarrollMartin > FantasiaForward line of E.Holland, McGovern, Z.WilliamsMotlop, Kennedy/Cripps, OwiesZ.Williams can go back, but I doubt he has the fitness to play half back. Durdin or Fantasia forward.If we go small it might make life difficult for McGovern and coI’m a bit both ways on Lemmey, if he’s not “ready” for a break glass game now, will he ever be ?Whoever we play forward MUST have the ball delivered to their advantage and leads must be honored, to not only give ourselves a chance to win but to not destroy the confidence of someone like Lemmey. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #106 – August 15, 2024, 07:45:53 am Quote from: WASurfer – on August 12, 2024, 03:51:52 pmWhile finals are still mathematically possible, a team like the Hawks deserves that spot way more than we do...simple as that. With 6 players likely to be missing from last weekend, there's not much left to choose from so lets have a look at Moir, Lemmey, Binns, Wilson, Carroll.....even Mirkov. He couldn't be any worse than Pittonet's been in the last month.Big agree on Mirkov. We need to know how he goes. He'll get lots of hit outs purely on his size, and he'll be hitting out to ball users who are significantly better players. They'll make him look better. Sure it will be hard for him, but we have to find out how he goes. Pittonet's (I am a fan btw - big heart) feet barely leave the ground. Mirkov is so tall that the opposition ruckman will be more worried about stopping him than doing anything good themselves. That could mean the oppositions clearance ball strategy is compromised at least. If we were already done and dusted Mirkov in would be a better idea probably, but big guys need time and need to start somewhere. Harry Madden took a while to get going. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #107 – August 15, 2024, 07:50:15 am Quote from: kruddler – on August 14, 2024, 06:47:14 pmPersonally i'd put Weitering forward, at least for part of the game. Nobody will be able to push him off the ball and he'll read the ball better than anyone else.We have Gov (hopefully he's fit) and Kemp to do their usual role and we can have Young to play Weitering role, which he seems to be able to do better than any other defenders role.We need to be able to score and we are just about missing our complete first choice forwardline, so why not add a joker into the mix with Weitering?If we lose, it doesn't matter if its 1 point or 100.Without kicking a score though, we have no hope.One thing we have to our advantage going into this game is that the West Coast brains trust will have absolutely no idea how we will line up.The more unpredictable we can make it the better.Weitering forward is an out of the box move...but it just might come off.It's just a perception but with the chops and changes down back Weitering's 'generalship' just seems to not be as effective as it has been.With the added pressure the defence has been under he's probably needed to keep his focus on his own opponent rather than directing others.There's an elephant in the room too that we're probably bit reluctant to address.There were rumours circulating last year about an apparent 'rift' with Young and Weitering.Not a personal thing, but more a professional, confidence thing.We have no idea of the strength of those rumours but it's been interesting with all our defensive woes that they haven't played a lot together in defence in the last twelve months. When they have played in the same team Young has often been bought in as much as a backup ruck rather than a pure defender.The explanation may be as Kruddler suggests that they are similar types of defensive players (key forward opponents), albeit Weitering is a couple of levels above. Quote Selected Last Edit: August 15, 2024, 07:52:09 am by Lods
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #108 – August 15, 2024, 01:29:08 pm I’ve noticed that Weiters has become quite tetchy with some teammates at times during the past few matches. This shows that probably some in the defence have been making bad mistakes, although this has been pretty obvious anyway. Moving him away from defence could make us even more vulnerable. We need to focus more on how to move the ball effectively into our F50 and keeping it there, without exposing our defence imo. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #109 – August 15, 2024, 02:01:01 pm Allen, Waterman and Darling are no mugs and without Weitering we would have our hands full down back especially with Allen imho. I'd play Lemmey and Kennedy in the key forward spots and rotate Cripps with Kennedy at FF and wouldn't be shy to give Cripps extended time there. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #110 – August 15, 2024, 02:59:34 pm Quote from: cookie2 – on August 15, 2024, 01:29:08 pmI’ve noticed that Weiters has become quite tetchy with some teammates at times during the past few matches. This shows that probably some in the defence have been making bad mistakes, although this has been pretty obvious anyway. Moving him away from defence could make us even more vulnerable. We need to focus more on how to move the ball effectively into our F50 and keeping it there, without exposing our defence imo. The communication in the backline hasn't really been all 'Beer and Skittles" in recent times.Dirty looks and sprays have been evident.McGovern wasn't happy with Kemp the other day.It seems they're not on the same page and that many of the mistakes are probably things that have gone against game strategy.I also wouldn't discount the fact that all those corkies have left Weitering a little below his best, and struggling a bit with holding it all together.He may be a little frustrated with his own body and that's reflecting on to team-mates.Now you would think the worst thing we could do would be to move him. But with him not there it's quite possible the others might feel a little less pressure from his scrutiny and in fact rise to the challenge.All speculation...I'm happy to let the coaches with a closer understanding of the dynamics to sort it out Quote Selected Last Edit: August 15, 2024, 03:04:00 pm by Lods
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #111 – August 15, 2024, 03:26:00 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on August 15, 2024, 02:01:01 pmAllen, Waterman and Darling are no mugs and without Weitering we would have our hands full down back especially with Allen imho. I'd play Lemmey and Kennedy in the key forward spots and rotate Cripps with Kennedy at FF and wouldn't be shy to give Cripps extended time there.Its all relative though.Yes, they have some good forwards, and we have some decent backs.They have some decent backs and we have no forwards.Even if we 'break even' in our defence. We will lose the forward battle.Relying on a guy who hasn't played a game, and a guy who is a midfielder first and foremost (i am a fan of him playing forward BTW).....and is carrying an ankle injury......is NOT a winning strategy. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #112 – August 15, 2024, 03:38:52 pm Quote from: Lods – on August 15, 2024, 02:59:34 pmThe communication in the backline hasn't really been all 'Beer and Skittles" in recent times.Dirty looks and sprays have been evident.McGovern wasn't happy with Kemp the other day.It seems they're not on the same page and that many of the mistakes are probably things that have gone against game strategy.I also wouldn't discount the fact that all those corkies have left Weitering a little below his best, and struggling a bit with holding it all together.He may be a little frustrated with his own body and that's reflecting on to team-mates.Now you would think the worst thing we could do would be to move him. But with him not there it's quite possible the others might feel a little less pressure from his scrutiny and in fact rise to the challenge.All speculation...I'm happy to let the coaches with a closer understanding of the dynamics to sort it outImho we need weiters doing more traffic directing and less doing.On the weekend he was trying to be everywhere man rather than holding it all together. Less act, more lead. Our leaders unfortunately only do.Our team will change when people in our team lead who are content to sacrifice their game for the good of the team. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #113 – August 15, 2024, 03:41:11 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on August 15, 2024, 03:38:52 pmImho we need weiters doing more traffic directing and less doing.On the weekend he was trying to be everywhere man rather than holding it all together. Less act, more lead..........................................One reason why Nick Haynes is a better speculative pick up than a kid or VFL player. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #114 – August 15, 2024, 04:23:34 pm Quote from: kruddler – on August 15, 2024, 03:26:00 pmIts all relative though.Yes, they have some good forwards, and we have some decent backs.They have some decent backs and we have no forwards.Even if we 'break even' in our defence. We will lose the forward battle.Relying on a guy who hasn't played a game, and a guy who is a midfielder first and foremost (i am a fan of him playing forward BTW).....and is carrying an ankle injury......is NOT a winning strategy.Not sure our backs are that decent, its a mess back there and not so much due to injuries. I agree relying on newbies and players playing out of position isnt much of a strategy but we dont have a lot to work with and a few innovative moves is about all we have to surprise WC with.Im also relying on WC not being great themselves, if we were playing a decent team we would be hammered this week.It appears Don Pyke will be the new WC coach or maybe Hinkley in a surprise so Im hoping Schofield has checked out and isnt too bothered about strategies or over thinking how to stretch us.. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #115 – August 15, 2024, 04:26:24 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on August 15, 2024, 04:23:34 pmNot sure our backs are that decent, its a mess back there and not so much due to injuries. I agree relying on newbies and players playing out of position isnt much of a strategy but we dont have a lot to work with and a few innovative moves is about all we have to surprise WC with.Im also relying on WC not being great themselves, if we were playing a decent team we would be hammered this week.It appears Don Pyke will be the new WC coach or maybe Hinkley in a surprise so Im hoping Schofield has checked out and isnt too bothered about strategies or over thinking how to stretch us..I think we've been favourites of all the games we've lost in our slump.We were probably favourites for at least a few rounds before that.So its highly likely that we've been favourites for each of the last 10 weeks.....or more.......except this week when the eagles are favourites......the EAGLES!How far have we fallen. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #116 – August 15, 2024, 04:55:00 pm Clubs been in a rough patch lately and not many positives but Elijah Hollands has been a positive and after a rocky start given his off field activities at GC coming to light he has shown thats all in the past and has played some good footy and has a handy set of skills being able to play midfield and half forward. I thought this was a good interview with him, he spoke well and appreciated the support of the playing group and supporters in a uplifting way.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdmXMF2r20g Quote Selected 2 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #117 – August 15, 2024, 05:55:12 pm As long as he keeps his nose clean! Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #118 – August 15, 2024, 06:20:00 pm Ch7 showed the Squad heading off to Perth, it consists of every man with two legs, two arms and a pulse. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth Reply #119 – August 15, 2024, 06:23:51 pm In : Binns, Young, Lord, J Carroll, C Durdin, Lemmey, WIlson, Moir, AkueiPhewy.Out : Saad, McKay, Curnow, Martin,, Fogarty, Boyd Quote Selected 1 Likes