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Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #45 –
Quote from: dodge – on
"Not terrified, resigned to what's about happen. WC comfortably."

I think I made a typo in the pre-game thread...

They were relentless yesterday, which was great to see and one of the missing ingredients lately.

It will certainly give Lord, Binns and Moir confidence that they belong.

While St Kilda will be a bit tougher, I hope all the players that are 1-2 weeks on the injury list are given proper time to recover.




Those one or two weeks are near all hammys. They are 3 minimum. No way they play.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #46 –
The MC got it right - they are often criticized - with due cause - but they were on the ball this week - maybe the fact that there were so few players available for selection reduced the number of dopey decisions they could make.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
I thought he looked like a Scottish Terrier chasing a tennis ball at the beach early.   Just running everywhere without getting to the right spots.   To his credit he seemed to pick up the pace of the game in the 2nd half and did some nice things which was great to see.

Youthful exhuberance
vs
Experience.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The only thing wrong with the move of Kemp to the forward line was that it took so long to try it.

The surprising thing was that some folks found it 'surprising'.

Everything about his draft profile suggested that he was a player who could play forward or back...maybe even some time as a midfielder.
His versatility was a strength.

He kicked 4, probably should have kicked 5.

Yes, it was only an abysmal, dreadful West Coast side, but he was our key target.
How would he go as our third medium, tall player with the ability to move into defence if needed.
He's a strong mark and he's durable.
Hopefully he showed enough to not be pigeon-holed in future.

We have 'tried it' before.
But its like when we were trying Josh Kennedy in the forwardline that had Brendan Fevola.
He was never the focal point.

The difference yesterday was there wasn't 2 coleman medalists demanding all the inside 50's and surprise surprise he can actually play.

As happy as everyone was for Kemp, if anyone is not, it might be Jack Silvagni. He may have just been made redundant overnight.
If Kemp can play 3rd tall, it allows us to ruck Harry without hurting our forward structure as a backup. Obviously handy to have if we get an injury in defense as well.

I made a list of 'needs' the other day, and we may have just filled one of them.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #49 –
Didn't see that coming - CARNA BLUE BAGGERS!!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #52 –
I thought that we needed McGovern to play forward but Kemp was a better choice as it kept our defence solid.  O.Hollands in defence was good as it provides more options going forward and E.Hollands having more time through the middle gave us more pace and class. Williams and Durdin were excellent but Moir was a revelation. It will be interesting who Carlton bring in as we could have another debutante. One of the best four quarter efforts by an undermanned Carlton team for a long time, but we need to do it two weeks in a row otherwise it will be all wasted. I don't talk about Cripps and Weitering because there is nothing more to say.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #53 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
We have 'tried it' before.
But its like when we were trying Josh Kennedy in the forwardline that had Brendan Fevola.
He was never the focal point.

The difference yesterday was there wasn't 2 coleman medalists demanding all the inside 50's and surprise surprise he can actually play.

As happy as everyone was for Kemp, if anyone is not, it might be Jack Silvagni. He may have just been made redundant overnight.
If Kemp can play 3rd tall, it allows us to ruck Harry without hurting our forward structure as a backup. Obviously handy to have if we get an injury in defense as well.

I made a list of 'needs' the other day, and we may have just filled one of them.

Have we?
'Cameos' aren't trying something different.
A quarter here, a quarter there....even a full game doesn't present a lot of opportunity to show what you can do.
A player needs a block of games to settle into a 'foreign' postition.
It's probably even fair to say that his efforts on the weekend aren't definitive.
He needs to back that up against better sides, that are ready for him as a forward.

I've suggested we try him forward for over a year now...but it's always met with resistance.
"Kemp is a defender" was the response.
Why weaken one position to fix up another?
I'm still not 100% sure that isn't sound logic, but I am pleased it's being given a go.

The conflict with Curnow and McKay in the side isn't a huge issue.
If it comes off Kemp will be a third tall.
You're right in that, apart from the rucking, Kemp may put a lot of pressure on Jack Silvagni who may have to reinvent himself.

The noise from the recruiting side is that we look like we're targeting medium/tall defenders.
Perhaps we have a  'cunning' plan in place.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Have we?
'Cameos' aren't trying something different.
A quarter here, a quarter there....even a full game doesn't present a lot of opportunity to show what you can do.
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If it comes off Kemp will be a third tall.
You're right in that, apart from the rucking, Kemp may put a lot of pressure on Jack Silvagni who may have to reinvent himself.
On the first part, it reminds me of Williams as a mid, we gave him a pre-season game and fans and the club wrote him off after getting suspended, it was stupidity. But now at his size and shape he'd only ever be a backup option for Cerra, Kennedy, Hewett, etc., etc., it's still an option if he could keep himself fit.

However, as I've mentioned since early in their careers, Kemp and SoJ should have been in the midfield rotations as a size for size chop out for Cripps. They are both more than useful attacking types with tricks for players their size and shape. SoJ even spent some time in the VFL playing in the midfield and looked OK, while there he was also tried in D50 and looked like a fish out of water, other than tagging SoJ doesn't have the D50 mindset and he just won't ever better McGovern or Weiters in that role and we've already got two his size and shape.

SoJ might work well as a defensive forward, but you'd think Kemp could go that role as well, and Kemp has SoJ covered for pace.

One good thing about Kemp working as a forward is that he raises the average leg speed of the group, he's as fast if not faster than Martin, Motlop, Owies, etc., etc..
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Have we?
'Cameos' aren't trying something different.
A quarter here, a quarter there....even a full game doesn't present a lot of opportunity to show what you can do.
A player needs a block of games to settle into a 'foreign' postition.
It's probably even fair to say that his efforts on the weekend aren't definitive.
He needs to back that up against better sides, that are ready for him as a forward.

I've suggested we try him forward for over a year now...but it's always met with resistance.
"Kemp is a defender" was the response.
Why weaken one position to fix up another?
I'm still not 100% sure that isn't sound logic, but I am pleased it's being given a go.

The conflict with Curnow and McKay in the side isn't a huge issue.
If it comes off Kemp will be a third tall.
You're right in that, apart from the rucking, Kemp may put a lot of pressure on Jack Silvagni who may have to reinvent himself.

The noise from the recruiting side is that we look like we're targeting medium/tall defenders.
Perhaps we have a  'cunning' plan in place.

I wouldn't say that forward is a 'foreign' position for Kemp. He played much of his footy before joining us in that position. And he sure didn't play there on Sunday like it was foreign to him. Duck to water. The Aints will be prepared for him and he'll cop plenty of attention. And it doesn't automatically mean JSOS is out of a job, many have thought, correctly, that he is more than capable in the midfield and even defense, provided he can work on his speed over the grass. His footy IQ will be valuable wherever he's played.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #56 –
15 marks inside 50 against the Weagles... amazing what can happen when you lower your eyes ;)  ;D  ;D
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
And it doesn't automatically mean JSOS is out of a job, many have thought, correctly, that he is more than capable in the midfield and even defense, provided he can work on his speed over the grass. His footy IQ will be valuable wherever he's played.
Yep, it is the reality of the situation, you can't have 18 front-liners, the bulk of the squad have to play roles as required.

Not sure how Kemp would go or if he's even needed besides Charlie or Harry, but he's given himself an extra skill to sell to the MC when they construct the 22.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #58 –
Jack was in trouble pre Kemp cameoing down forward. He was a fringe player before he did his knee and I don't see that changing.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I wouldn't say that forward is a 'foreign' position for Kemp. He played much of his footy before joining us in that position. And he sure didn't play there on Sunday like it was foreign to him. Duck to water. The Aints will be prepared for him and he'll cop plenty of attention. And it doesn't automatically mean JSOS is out of a job, many have thought, correctly, that he is more than capable in the midfield and even defense, provided he can work on his speed over the grass. His footy IQ will be valuable wherever he's played.

Kemp has played a lot of VFL footy as a key forward or swingman and I’m pretty sure that he has spent AFL time forward in previous seasons.

There’s an interview with Kemp on the club website where he talks about the conversation with Vossy that led to his focus on defence.  He mentions his versatility and the option of playing as a key forward if the need/opportunity arises.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!