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Reply #90 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Some remarkable efforts going on at the moment.

I haven't seen this kind of rise of collective form since the Chinese swim team.

I would like to think this is for different reasons, but i can't help but ask why and where has this come from?



You never know for sure (I can tell you some stories).
But I think in this case is what we have is a group of excellent coaches, some great squads...and great competition amongst the runners (both sprinters and middle distance runners).
It's that competition that is pushing athletes to exceptional performances.

There is another factor.
It's venue.
Perth has a reputation as being a fast track with favourable winds (as we've seen this weekend when they've been too strong for Gout's races). Combine that with the best sprinters and you get the results we've seen. The women's race last night while close, actually didn't produce outstanding times.

Matt Denny has been throwing Discus at Ramona in Oklahoma where the wind "comes sweeping off the plains". The Discus is an aerodynamically designed object that if you can sit the discus on top of the breeze it will carry. You don't want a hurricane blowing in your face, but a good wind at the right angle and you will get a good throw. The winds at Ramona this time of year are ideal. It's not a coincidence that Alekna set the World Record at this venue around this time last year.

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Reply #91 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Lods – on
You would probably get an argument from the field athletes (nothing special last night).
They feel that track gets a much more favourable coverage than the field events.
They're right of course, but it's probably not great TV waiting someone to take a jump or throw.
Same with watching lap after lap of a long distance race.
The sprints are where the glamour is and we've got a good bunch on the verge of some big time break throughs in both mens and womens.
Jess Hull and Cam Myers won their 1500s but they were tactical races so the times weren't outstanding.

Perhaps one to watch was a young 14 year old Emilia Reed. Racing in the Under 20 -200 metres, against much older girls, Emilia clocked a time of 23.29 and won the race by over a second.

There was a girl (dark hair, looked tall) the other day who they showed it on the news where she beat Raelene Boyle's record (I think) in the 100m. Cant remember her name but her running style/action was incredible. Do you know the girl Im referring to Lods?

Yep
It's Leah O'Brien the girl who finished second to Torrie Lewis last night.
She has a beautiful long stride in full flight that just seems to skim the ground.
She's only 17.

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Reply #92 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
There was a girl (dark hair, looked tall) the other day who they showed it on the news where she beat Raelene Boyle's record (I think) in the 100m. Cant remember her name but her running style/action was incredible. Do you know the girl Im referring to Lods?

Yep
It's Leah O'Brien the girl who finished second to Torrie Lewis last night.
She has a beautiful long stride in full flight that just seems to skim the ground.
She's only 17.

Thats the one, she has a bright future you'd think. I didn't realise/make her out in the final amongst all the mayhem on the finish line.
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Reply #93 –
It’s old news now but, across the ditch, Sam Ruthe is now the youngest athlete and the first 15-year-old to run a mile in under four minutes.

I watched the race and it was carefully orchestrated with pacemakers, but that doesn’t detract from young Sam’s achievement.

I have to wonder whether these young prodigies will continue to shine or burn out before they mature 🤔

And, talking of young prodigies, Raelene Boyle was a year behind me at Coburg Primary School.  She used to win every event she entered and really set us up for glory at the inter-school athletics.  She was by far the fastest runner at the school and could power away from older boys.
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Reply #94 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Some remarkable efforts going on at the moment.

I haven't seen this kind of rise of collective form since the Chinese swim team.

I would like to think this is for different reasons, but i can't help but ask why and where has this come from?



Yeah we seem to be getting harder better faster stronger with each new generation.

The rise isn't uniform across all cultures but the kids seem to be taller and leaner these days.

Who knows I share the opinion.  Bolt for me was a giant red flag.
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Reply #95 –
Peter Bol has broken the Australian 800 metre record at the nationals 1.43.79 (celebrating well before he crossed the line)
 

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Reply #96 –
Kennedy disqualified in the 200m final (false start)

Gout wins 19.84 wind 2.2+ illegal by just 0.2

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Reply #97 –
Some impressive results. Hope our athletes can make something of this come the Commonwealth and Olympic Games.
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Reply #98 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Yeah we seem to be getting harder better faster stronger with each new generation.

The rise isn't uniform across all cultures but the kids seem to be taller and leaner these days.

Who knows I share the opinion.  Bolt for me was a giant red flag.

Not really Thry; Raelene Boyle's 100m Australian junior record stood for 55 years ... and there are many other longstanding records,
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Reply #99 –
Meanwhile back in Ramona
Matt Denny throws 74.78 in the Discus well over Alekna's old World Record.

But there is is a big "but" in the form of Alekna, who enters the saloon, and pulls out two big massive throws.
Alekna's new world record is now 75.76m

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Reply #100 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Yeah we seem to be getting harder better faster stronger with each new generation.

The rise isn't uniform across all cultures but the kids seem to be taller and leaner these days.

Who knows I share the opinion.  Bolt for me was a giant red flag.

Not really Thry; Raelene Boyle's 100m Australian junior record stood for 55 years ... and there are many other longstanding records,

I'm the one who is beating some of these performances up, especially the sprinters, so we probably need to add a bit of perspective.
It's not the times they are running at present that is the exciting part.
It's the improvement and the potential.
They are mostly young, and improving rapidly.

Most of these times will slip down the rankings as the Northern Hemisphere track season gets underway.
Many people in other parts of the world (especially America, and especially one 'arachnid') are quite dismissive of sprinters like Gout and Kennedy.
But what we are seeing at the moment is our own national records under constant threat...and by very young sprinters.
I grew up in a golden age of athletics in Australia. We had sprinters/hurdlers like Cuthbert, Strickland, Norman, Caird and Boyle winning Olympic medals. Our middle and long distance runners were setting World records or winning Olympic medals-Landy, Clarke, Doubell, Albie Thomas.

We have several world class athletes in field events and middle/long distance running at the moment.

Athletes like Denny and young Cam Myers can hold their won in any competition. We have good vaulters and female high jumpers. We have a talented group of middle distance runners and our race walkers usually pull out a medal or two at major championships and feature high on world ranking lists.

Our sprinters are a bit off the pace.
But they are coming.

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Reply #101 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Yeah we seem to be getting harder better faster stronger with each new generation.

The rise isn't uniform across all cultures but the kids seem to be taller and leaner these days.

Who knows I share the opinion.  Bolt for me was a giant red flag.

Not really Thry; Raelene Boyle's 100m Australian junior record stood for 55 years ... and there are many other longstanding records,
when a country is going into an Olympic hosting period all of a sudden they unleash a generation of talents in a variety of sports.

This isn't a coincidence. 

Can't comment on Boyle's record.  Suspect it means nought as historically one standout.  An outlier if you will.
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Reply #102 –
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make is Thry.
If you have a look at our National  Track and Field records there are many that date back to the early 2000s, 1990's and even 1980s. (Darren Clark 400m, Ken Lorraway Triple Jump, Debbie Flintoff 400H)
Boyle's former under 20 100metre record was set at altitude (Mexico), so breaking it was long overdue.

Advances in training methods (loading, periodization, nutrition et) in most sports mean we are producing bigger, stronger, fitter athletes.
Its probably more apparent in a sport like AFL.
If our current team, even missing a few, went up against one of our premiership teams from the seventies or eighties it would be a slaughter.
The current side would run them ragged and hit them with a pressure game they couldn't withstand.



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Reply #103 –
Just a special mention for the class of Lachie Kennedy.
He was running sore after a few big weeks.

He was disqualified for a false start at the beginning of the 200m.
He took it on the chin.
Didn't complain and walked down to the finish line after the race to give Gout a big hug and congratulate him.
Gout showed the same respect in return, so this looks like a very 'friendly' rivalry.

Hopefully we see both at Stawell next weekend but it wouldn't surprise to see Kennedy withdraw.
He probably needs a break and back to some training.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/lachie-kennedys-stunning-act-towards-gout-gout-after-disqualification-drama-in-200m-final/ar-AA1CPvM6?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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Reply #104 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: DJC – on


Not really Thry; Raelene Boyle's 100m Australian junior record stood for 55 years ... and there are many other longstanding records,
when a country is going into an Olympic hosting period all of a sudden they unleash a generation of talents in a variety of sports.

This isn't a coincidence. 

Can't comment on Boyle's record.  Suspect it means nought as historically one standout.  An outlier if you will.

It’s not an outlier; heaps of Australian athletics records set in the 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s are still standing and probably will for many years to come.  Unfortunately, we can’t just produce talented athletes at will, but as Lods has explained, we do have a few world class athletes in some disciplines, and that has been the case since the days of John Landy, Betty Cuthbert and Ron Clarke.
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