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Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #180 –
Guys here is a statistic for you.  The average afl career lasts 12 games. 

12 games.  Half a season.

We are asking players who have had significant set backs amd kids who have minimal strength and conditioning to come in a hot final and perform against a team that lost the grand final last year.  You can carry a few in that category but the weight of numbers who we've been carrying week by week has grown for the last 10 weeks.

Why pick the senior guys instead of the kids?  Because next week if lightning had struck and we won the elder players with match fitness would give us more than the kids (durdin or motlop would have been replaced by owies as a hypothetical).

That's why the kids didn't play.  You could ruin their confidence by a baptism of fire and there was another game to experience. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #181 –
Quote from: blueianh – on
I think a fit Durdin has promise, but Fantasia is past it (we did get him cheap though, was worth a shot) and Motlop continues to underwhelm.
Motlop… the kid who was injured and didn’t play his first game until round 16 or some such was underwhelming ?
Let’s go BIG !
 

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #182 –
Eddie Betts didn't have his break out season till he was 23.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #183 –
Does anyone think that Voss is part of the problem?

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #185 –
Quote from: ratlice – on
Does anyone think that Voss is part of the problem?

Every one has to take some responsibility for their parts-coaches, fitness folk and players.
Any underlying issues may become apparent in the next week or two with exit interviews and reviews of the season.
Sometimes these are kept under wraps during a season and once it ends these bubble to the surface.
We've changed the fitness section.
We'll see some changes in player personnel...we might also see it in coaching positions.

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #186 –
I still have hopes Motlop can emerge as a very good small forward.
He shows glimpses.
You can't take much notice of this season...he's had a poor preparation and didn't even get an opportunity  until late in the year.
But next season will tell a story.
If he can get a good pre-season he'll need to step up a level.
If it's injury interrupted he may join our rather large 'injury prone' contingent.
That's the one that needs a severe culling.
We can't keep carrying list spots for these guys, no matter how good their best is.

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #187 –
Quote from: laj – on
His and the MC's team selection was a massive part of the problem.
Agree, tactically not great either but thats also his assistants responsibility too and Id expect a couple of changes in that area.

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #188 –
Quote from: ratlice – on
Does anyone think that Voss is part of the problem?

I think we first need to figure out if in fact there is a problem that relates to personal incompetence (as opposed to simple bad luck with injuries etc.) and we then need to figure out which individual is responsible. And that's not possible for us on the outside. I know on social media everybody knows exactly what the problems are, where they lie, and how to fix them, but in the real world.....

We have tried more senior coaches than pretty much any other club in recent years. It doesn't work. And no, it's not because "we keep picking the wrong bloke."

Under Voss we have played more consistent good footy, and if nothing else, Cripps, Weitering and Walsh have IMO clearly benefited from him as coach, all going to another level under his tutelage.

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Reply #189 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree, tactically not great either but thats also his assistants responsibility too and Id expect a couple of changes in that area.
Ill say there were reasons why they did what they did which we aren't privy to. They took risks that didnt come off.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #190 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think we first need to figure out if in fact there is a problem that relates to personal incompetence (as opposed to simple bad luck with injuries etc.) and we then need to figure out which individual is responsible. And that's not possible for us on the outside. I know on social media everybody knows exactly what the problems are, where they lie, and how to fix them, but in the real world.....

We have tried more senior coaches than pretty much any other club in recent years. It doesn't work. And no, it's not because "we keep picking the wrong bloke."

Under Voss we have played more consistent good footy, and if nothing else, Cripps, Weitering and Walsh have IMO clearly benefited from him as coach, all going to another level under his tutelage.

While I agree with that Paul, as Daisy Thomas pointed out, our arousal level was far too low at the start of the game.  That’s largely a collective coaching responsibility but with Vossy bearing the lion’s share (oops!).  The leadership group also has to take some of the blame.

I’m always impressed by Vossy’s calm demeanour, but perhaps he was too calm and needed to rev the boys up a tad more.  He does seem to learn from his mistakes and I don’t expect to see low arousal levels again.

I don’t buy the criticism of Vossy’s game day coaching.  He’s as good as the next coach and his planning and preparation is very good.  Injuries, and the lack of depth those injuries exposed, screwed our season.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #191 –
We won't be changing the coach in the short term.
Folks are disappointed and are looking for reasons and targets to blame.

I think we forget that before the injuries really started to impact we were sitting second on the ladder having smashed Geelong.

It's right there in front of our faces...from Round 17 on.
Injuries, extra burden on others, more injuries, players having to carry injuries, games missed, players returning underdone, season over.



Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #192 –
I said before the match that the Lions are very good team, have now won 11 of their last 13.

Full strength we might have had a chance but we were far from it.

Of our ins

Harry looked ok
Docherty below average
Cerra looked cooked
McGovern below average
Zac Williams cooked
TDK looked great but was sub for a reason

None of those guys would have played if it wasn't a final.

Add to that
Acres has been carrying a shoulder
Durdin should not have been playing considering we actually had options to replace him. That's the weird one for me.

5 of my best side were not playing, not sure if they're in Voss' but I think they would have been handy

Curnow - Champion, best forward in the AFL
Owies - Best small forward
Boyd - Was our designated kicker earlier this year.
Fogarty - Pressure
Cincotta - Pressure
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #193 –
Quote from: DJC – on
While I agree with that Paul, as Daisy Thomas pointed out, our arousal level was far too low at the start of the game.  That’s largely a collective coaching responsibility but with Vossy bearing the lion’s share (oops!).  The leadership group also has to take some of the blame.

I’m always impressed by Vossy’s calm demeanour, but perhaps he was too calm and needed to rev the boys up a tad more.  He does seem to learn from his mistakes and I don’t expect to see low arousal levels again.

I don’t buy the criticism of Vossy’s game day coaching.  He’s as good as the next coach and his planning and preparation is very good.  Injuries, and the lack of depth those injuries exposed, screwed our season.

I'm quite certain that after the 2023 Preliminary final (when we stormed out of the gate in that 1st q), Voss stated that he perhaps revved the players up a bit too much before the game. Maybe he over corrected this time around.

Re: AFL 2024 Elimination Final 1 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #194 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Ill say there were reasons why they did what they did which we aren't privy to. They took risks that didnt come off.
Like any big business when you do that though you have to wear the incoming and admit your mistakes. It's been a wasted year due to injury etc but to rock up in a elimination final and give nothing for half a game isn't going to be tolerated that's not injury etc that's players and coaches not up for the fight and it was down right embarrassing and revisiting the dark days.