Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on November 19, 2024, 09:44:46 pm

Interesting that no one rates Jack Silvagni as our 3rd tall forward and most want Kemp in that role. 
I think Jack is a more accomplished forward player and Kemp is more of a break glass type move forward player when you have injuries or need a change to provide a lift. Id also like to see Moir in that 3rd tall role and see what he offers, Im not even sure Kemp will be on the list next year and would see him as trade bait given we gave away our future picks for next seasons ND.

The thing is that Jack is training as a defender this pre-season and whether we rate him as a forward or not is inconsequential.

For the record, I would prefer to see Jack playing in the forward line as he provides a point of difference to Charlie and Harry and is a decent key forward in his own right - and back up ruckman  .  In a recent season - 2022 I think - Jack took more marks on the lead than any of our other players and he has serious footy smarts as well as a dash of mongrel.

Kemp has the attributes to be a reasonable third tall forward and won All-Australian selection at full forward as a junior.  Apart from his forward cameo at the end of the season, Kemp has done OK as a forward in the VFL and I think that it is certainly worth giving him a shot as a forward.  As for his future, he probably has as much chance of being on our list in 2026 as Jack does.

Moir would be slaughtered if he was played as third tall forward and he couldn't stand in  for Harry or Charlie when they have a spell.  He needs to play on a medium defender so that he can gain an edge with his marking and agility. 

I see Moir as that Bayley Fritsch type not as a KP Forward.....if Charlie or Harry were injured/resting then you could try the Kemp move and of course Liam McMahon if drafted/rookied would be the direct replacement. Moir is essentially replacing Jack Martin in the team for me.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on November 20, 2024, 10:13:48 am

I see Moir as that Bayley Fritsch type not as a KP Forward.....if Charlie or Harry were injured/resting then you could try the Kemp move and of course Liam McMahon if drafted/rookied would be the direct replacement. Moir is essentially replacing Jack Martin in the team for me.

I would categorise Moir as an agile medium forward with the ability to out mark similar-sized defenders and, yes, very similar to Fritsch and Martin in the way he plays.  Zac Williams plays in much the same way as a forward but is probably more opportunistic - probably because of his greater experience.

If Moir can extend his cameo performances to a whole game, and if Williams can stay on the park, we have the makings of a very potent forward line, regardless of who fills the third tall role.  Assuming Charlie makes a full recovery from his ankle reconstruction of course.

We just need one of Motlop or C Durdin to stand up.

I would go with:

Motlop/Durdin   Curnow   Moir

Williams   McKay   Kemp/Silvagni

With E Hollands and Fogarty coming off the bench.

Quote from: DJC – on November 20, 2024, 10:55:20 am

I would categorise Moir as an agile medium forward with the ability to out mark similar-sized defenders and, yes, very similar to Fritsch and Martin in the way he plays.  Zac Williams plays in much the same way as a forward but is probably more opportunistic - probably because of his greater experience.

If Moir can extend his cameo performances to a whole game, and if Williams can stay on the park, we have the makings of a very potent forward line, regardless of who fills the third tall role.  Assuming Charlie makes a full recovery from his ankle reconstruction of course.

We just need one of Motlop or C Durdin to stand up.

I would go with:

Motlop/Durdin   Curnow   Moir

Williams   McKay   Kemp/Silvagni

With E Hollands and Fogarty coming off the bench.

E Hollands would be a starter for me every game, consistent goalkicker and handy backup 2nd string mid when needed.
Durdin cant get the football and Id be going with Motlop and Williams as my smaller forwards with Fogarty my backup off the bench if those two were showing lazy defensive traits.
Id be running Durdin in the twos with some stints up the ground and onball trying to get him more involved and his possession numbers up and if successful then consider him for senior opportunities. You just cant have a player averaging 4-6 possies a game no matter how many pressure acts they make imho.

I really like small durdin. He's had a rough trott with injuries but he has express pace, is a worker and isn't afraid to stick his fragile body in.

If Durdin can play as well as he did in the first half against Wet Toast, I’d have him in my team … but that’s a big IF!

You’re right EB, we can’t afford to carry players who don’t get the pill, unless they’re applying manic pressure and sticking tackles throughout the game.

Cowan, Weiters, Newman
Saad, McGovern, Doc
Blake Cripps Ollie
Cotters, Harry, SOS
Williams, Charlie, Moir

TDK, Walsh, Hewitt

E Hollands, Lord, Boyd, Jagga

Missing Kemp, Pitto, Motlop, Young, Hynes selection is going to be rough this year

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what does everyone have against Cerra??   the "forgettable man"??

I was wondering the same. Would be a lock for best 22.