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How will we line up in 2025.

Regular small forward, Matt Owies, regular midfielder/forward/second ruck, Matt Kennedy, and occasional midfielder, Jack Carroll are gone.  Our other outgoing players played so little footy in 2024 that their departures are inconsequential.

After Zac Williams successfully made the transition to the forward line, he will be working on his forward craft this pre-season.  It seems that Brodie Kemp will continue as a forward after doing OK as a stand in for Charlie.  Conversely, Jack Silvagni is said to be training for a role as a defender in 2025.  Where will Mitch McGovern play?

Then we've got Nick Haynes looking for a spot in the backline.  Will Lewis Young do enough over the pre-season to win back his key defender role?  

Where will Doc play after his remarkable return from his knee reconstruction?  Will Ashton Moir, Cooper Lord and Jaxon Binns get regular games?  Draft pick #3 will be looking to break into the senior team, as will Billy Wilson.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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FB Saad Weitering Cowan
HB Silvagni McGovern Newman
C Acres Cripps O Hollands
HF Moir McKay Fogarty
FF Williams Curnow Durdin
Fol De Koning Hewitt Walsh
Int Docherty E Hollands Lord Boyd
Sub Cottrell
Fantasia Motlop will be fighting Durdin and Williams for the small fwd spots
Kemp and Moir will be fighting for that HF spot
Haynes and SOS will be fighting for that HB spot
Spine picks itself
Wings are owned by Blacres and Ollie
Newman owns one HBF
Saady owns one back pocket
Id pick Cowan over Boyd.
No room for two rucks anymore
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #2 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
FB Saad Weitering Cowan
HB Silvagni McGovern Newman
C Acres Cripps O Hollands
HF Moir McKay Fogarty
FF Williams Curnow Durdin
Fol De Koning Hewitt Walsh
Int Docherty E Hollands Lord Boyd
Sub Cottrell
Fantasia Motlop will be fighting Durdin and Williams for the small fwd spots
Kemp and Moir will be fighting for that HF spot
Haynes and SOS will be fighting for that HB spot
Spine picks itself
Wings are owned by Blacres and Ollie
Newman owns one HBF
Saady owns one back pocket
Id pick Cowan over Boyd.
No room for two rucks anymore


Looks pretty good
- Just missing Cez   (have him in for Lord?)
- Id have Motlop over Durds
- Pick 3 will be pushing for a spot
- Back ups (not mentioned) - Cincotta, BInns, Young, Wilson, Pitto, Fantasia

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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What about Kemp in his new role as a tall forward?

I think that we have to play a third tall forward to ease the defensive pressure on Harry and Charlie.

I think I’d squeeze Cerra and Motlop into the 22 and I’d probably play Young at CHB.

It’s nice to have several genuine options for most positions.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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The old school formations doesnt make sense in todays game

You can have eight defenders and three forwards or six midfield

We play a defence first system so we play with 7-8 defenders two deep and five are intercept/rebound only one or two come up the ground towards sroppages.

Its so complicated these days

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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Quote from: pinot – on
The old school formations doesnt make sense in todays game

You can have eight defenders and three forwards or six midfield

We play a defence first system so we play with 7-8 defenders two deep and five are intercept/rebound only one or two come up the ground towards sroppages.

Its so complicated these days

6-6-6 makes the old school formations even  more relevant than they were a decade ago.  Of course, it's a different matter in general play.

If there's a stoppage in our backline, we'll have six defenders, two wingers and the centreman, the three followers and at least one half forward in or just outside of the defensive 50 ... and we're still losing those stoppages!

At the other end of the ground, our deepest players in transition could be defenders.  When Acres kicked the winner against Melbourne in 2023, the three other players with him were De Koning, McGovern and Kemp; not a forward within cooee!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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Team formation should be like English Premier league where they make sense and better view on tactics.

AFL is a bit behind the tactics eight ball imo.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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Quote from: DJC – on
What about Kemp in his new role as a tall forward?

I think that we have to play a third tall forward to ease the defensive pressure on Harry and Charlie.

We actually need to see Kemp as the third tall.
For the three games he played at the end of the year he was the second tall in one, and the number one in two of them with Curnow and McKay both missing games.

He'd be a tough matchup for a third tall defender.

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Quote from: Lods – on
We actually need to see Kemp as the third tall.
For the three games he played at the end of the year he was the second tall in one, and the number one in two of them with Curnow and McKay both missing games.

He'd be a tough matchup for a third tall defender.

I suspect that Kemp will have more success as a third tall forward than he would if we persevered with him as our second tall defender.  He is quick, agile and a very good mark and that should make him a very tough matchup for most third tall defenders.  Of course, given the way our forward line functions, he will be the second tall forward for significant periods of the game.

Hopefully, after he does have a couple of games as a tall forward, it won't be a case of mugs to the backline.
 
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Looks pretty good
- Just missing Cez   (have him in for Lord?)
- Id have Motlop over Durds
- Pick 3 will be pushing for a spot
- Back ups (not mentioned) - Cincotta, BInns, Young, Wilson, Pitto, Fantasia
Chez will fight George for a spot, he needs to get his body right first and foremost. Ive heard whispers he still isn't right.
Vossy loves Cinc, will be interesting to see how he uses him (or fits him in)
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #10 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: DJC – on
What about Kemp in his new role as a tall forward?

I think that we have to play a third tall forward to ease the defensive pressure on Harry and Charlie.

We actually need to see Kemp as the third tall.
For the three games he played at the end of the year he was the second tall in one, and the number one in two of them with Curnow and McKay both missing games.

He'd be a tough matchup for a third tall defender.

I think Kemp is the utility we need.

Playing him allows us to use him back or forward....and frees us a 2nd ruck.
If we use him forward it allows us to use Harry in the ruck when required while still keeping our shape.
If used back he can give a chop out to one of our other players (impersonating a key defender?) isn't getting the job done

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Interesting that no one rates Jack Silvagni as our 3rd tall forward and most want Kemp in that role. 
I think Jack is a more accomplished forward player and Kemp is more of a break glass type move forward player when you have injuries or need a change to provide a lift. Id also like to see Moir in that 3rd tall role and see what he offers, Im not even sure Kemp will be on the list next year and would see him as trade bait given we gave away our future picks for next seasons ND.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Interesting that no one rates Jack Silvagni as our 3rd tall forward and most want Kemp in that role. 
I think Jack is a more accomplished forward player and Kemp is more of a break glass type move forward player when you have injuries or need a change to provide a lift. Id also like to see Moir in that 3rd tall role and see what he offers, Im not even sure Kemp will be on the list next year and would see him as trade bait given we gave away our future picks for next seasons ND.

There's a bit of talk about Jack being 'groomed' as a defender.
It may just be a bit of off-season speculation....but as Kruddler said regarding Kemp, they are both versatile and have potential to play a role both forward and back.
It's the string to their bow that may save them come the end of next season when both are out of contract.
If it works that both go OK, but we're struggling to fit the pair of them into the side, we might indeed have some useful trade currency.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Interesting that no one rates Jack Silvagni as our 3rd tall forward and most want Kemp in that role. 
I think Jack is a more accomplished forward player and Kemp is more of a break glass type move forward player when you have injuries or need a change to provide a lift. Id also like to see Moir in that 3rd tall role and see what he offers, Im not even sure Kemp will be on the list next year and would see him as trade bait given we gave away our future picks for next seasons ND.

The thing is that Jack is training as a defender this pre-season and whether we rate him as a forward or not is inconsequential.

For the record, I would prefer to see Jack playing in the forward line as he provides a point of difference to Charlie and Harry and is a decent key forward in his own right - and back up ruckman  ::) .  In a recent season - 2022 I think - Jack took more marks on the lead than any of our other players and he has serious footy smarts as well as a dash of mongrel.

Kemp has the attributes to be a reasonable third tall forward and won All-Australian selection at full forward as a junior.  Apart from his forward cameo at the end of the season, Kemp has done OK as a forward in the VFL and I think that it is certainly worth giving him a shot as a forward.  As for his future, he probably has as much chance of being on our list in 2026 as Jack does.

Moir would be slaughtered if he was played as third tall forward and he couldn't stand in  for Harry or Charlie when they have a spell.  He needs to play on a medium defender so that he can gain an edge with his marking and agility. 
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

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Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Interesting that no one rates Jack Silvagni as our 3rd tall forward and most want Kemp in that role. 
I think Jack is a more accomplished forward player and Kemp is more of a break glass type move forward player when you have injuries or need a change to provide a lift. Id also like to see Moir in that 3rd tall role and see what he offers, Im not even sure Kemp will be on the list next year and would see him as trade bait given we gave away our future picks for next seasons ND.

The thing is that Jack is training as a defender this pre-season and whether we rate him as a forward or not is inconsequential.  Conversely, Kemp is training as a forward.

For the record, I would prefer to see Jack playing in the forward line as he provides a point of difference to Charlie and Harry and is a decent key forward in his own right - and back up ruckman  ::) .  In a recent season - 2022 I think - Jack took more marks on the lead than any of our other players and he has serious footy smarts as well as a dash of mongrel.

Kemp has the attributes to be a reasonable third tall forward and won All-Australian selection at full forward as a junior.  Apart from his forward cameo at the end of the season, Kemp has done OK as a forward in the VFL and I think that it is certainly worth giving him a shot as a forward.  As for his future, he probably has as much chance of being on our list in 2026 as Jack does.

Moir would be slaughtered if he was played as third tall forward and he couldn't stand in  for Harry or Charlie when they have a spell.  He needs to play on a medium defender so that he can gain an edge with his marking and agility.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!