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Who is in our best 22?

1 - Jack Silvagni
[ 7 ] (1.6%)
2 - Lachie Cowan
[ 13 ] (3%)
3 - Jesse Motlop
[ 11 ] (2.5%)
4 - Oliver Hollands
[ 13 ] (3%)
5 - Adam Cerra
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
6 - Zac Williams
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
7 - Jagga Smith
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
8 - Lachie Fogarty
[ 13 ] (3%)
9 - Patrick Cripps
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
10 - Harry McKay
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
11 - Mitch McGovern
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
12 - Tom De Koning
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
13 - Blake Acres
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
14 - Orazio Fantasia
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
15 - Sam Docherty
[ 15 ] (3.4%)
16 - Ben Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
17 - Brodie Kemp
[ 16 ] (3.6%)
18 - Sam Walsh
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
19 - Corey Durdin
[ 2 ] (0.5%)
20 - Elijah Hollands
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
21 - Lucas Camporeale
[ 0 ] (0%)
22 - Harry O'Farrell
[ 0 ] (0%)
23 - Jacob Weitering
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
24 - Nick Newman
[ 19 ] (4.3%)
25 - Jaxon Binns
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
26 - Nick Haynes
[ 14 ] (3.2%)
27 - Marc Pittonet
[ 0 ] (0%)
28 - Harry Charleson
[ 0 ] (0%)
29 - George Hewitt
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
30 - Charlie Curnow
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
31 - Harry Lemmey
[ 0 ] (0%)
33 - Lewis Young
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
34 - Rob Monahan
[ 0 ] (0%)
35 - Billy Wilson
[ 0 ] (0%)
36 - Cooper Lord
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
37 - Jordan Boyd
[ 12 ] (2.7%)
39 - Alex Cincotta
[ 4 ] (0.9%)
40 - Hudson O'Keeffe
[ 0 ] (0%)
41 - Matt Duffy
[ 1 ] (0.2%)
42 - Adam Saad
[ 20 ] (4.6%)
43 - Ashton Moir
[ 5 ] (1.1%)
46 - Matthew Cottrell
[ 11 ] (2.5%)

Total Members Voted: 20

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Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #75 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
We need small fwds.
   I think we have enough, it's more about the quality than quantity IMHO.
We lack a tall specialist forward as well as a tall specialist backman imo and seem intent on pinch hitting with players like Kemp and JSOS.
FrankieE  to me is no improvement in quality and his CV is thin and that's being kind after getting the Khyber from two clubs and having 30 odd games of mediocre results at best.To me that SPP should have been a tall and Frank should have been earning his chance for the mid season draft by impressing in the VFL.
McMahon kicked goals in the twos and was our best VFL player and I can't understand why he wasn't given a shot given his skill and talent .
After showing Owies the door this move is sure to make supporters question what the recruiters are doing especially if Owies
has success at WC..


Brisbane won a premiership off the back of quality smalls who terrorised defences. Coll did the same in the their premiership year. We have Durdin, Motlop, Fantasia, Evans, Williams and at a pinch Fogarty (who plays a higher up the ground). Evans and maybe Fog aside, they are all a little injury prone and are extremely inconsistent. We would need all of them to have dynamite years to be a contender. I personally understood the Owies trade, teams were sniffing around and he was the only one with trade value (ie give something to get something). The trade was underpinned by the fact that the abovementioned cohort would finally produce something. I hope they do.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #76 –
We keep recruiting small forwards because ours are no good or too injury prone.

Now we are going to win a flag with that same group because brisbane did similar?

....and thats why we don't need backup for key forwards (or key backs) because we have so many small forwards?

Quantity does not equal quality.

The more crap we have on 1 position. The less talent we have in others.

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #77 –
Our small forwards WERE witches hats last year, other than the one we flicked.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
 

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
   I think we have enough, it's more about the quality than quantity IMHO.
We lack a tall specialist forward as well as a tall specialist backman imo and seem intent on pinch hitting with players like Kemp and JSOS.
FrankieE  to me is no improvement in quality and his CV is thin and that's being kind after getting the Khyber from two clubs and having 30 odd games of mediocre results at best.To me that SPP should have been a tall and Frank should have been earning his chance for the mid season draft by impressing in the VFL.
McMahon kicked goals in the twos and was our best VFL player and I can't understand why he wasn't given a shot given his skill and talent .
After showing Owies the door this move is sure to make supporters question what the recruiters are doing especially if Owies
has success at WC..


Brisbane won a premiership off the back of quality smalls who terrorised defences. Coll did the same in the their premiership year. We have Durdin, Motlop, Fantasia, Evans, Williams and at a pinch Fogarty (who plays a higher up the ground). Evans and maybe Fog aside, they are all a little injury prone and are extremely inconsistent. We would need all of them to have dynamite years to be a contender. I personally understood the Owies trade, teams were sniffing around and he was the only one with trade value (ie give something to get something). The trade was underpinned by the fact that the abovementioned cohort would finally produce something. I hope they do.
GTC,  I would argue why are we hanging onto that motley crew of smalls? given their injury prone ways and also lack of productivity.
How does adding a non descript double cast off like Evans improve things? If we are using Brisbane as a guide we need to be looking at increasing our quality of small forwards rather than quantity and why wasnt this addressed in the trade period or the national draft if the list management team see it as more vital than providing KP cover?

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #79 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Brisbane won a premiership off the back of quality smalls who terrorised defences. Coll did the same in the their premiership year. We have Durdin, Motlop, Fantasia, Evans, Williams and at a pinch Fogarty (who plays a higher up the ground). Evans and maybe Fog aside, they are all a little injury prone and are extremely inconsistent. We would need all of them to have dynamite years to be a contender. I personally understood the Owies trade, teams were sniffing around and he was the only one with trade value (ie give something to get something). The trade was underpinned by the fact that the abovementioned cohort would finally produce something. I hope they do.
GTC,  I would argue why are we hanging onto that motley crew of smalls? given their injury prone ways and also lack of productivity.
How does adding a non descript double cast off like Evans improve things? If we are using Brisbane as a guide we need to be looking at increasing our quality of small forwards rather than quantity and why wasnt this addressed in the trade period or the national draft if the list management team see it as more vital than providing KP cover?
Last year they offloaded (finally) all the PP Hospital Ward lot. Unless they produce something spectacular, I'd guess there will be a some smaller fellas looking for new homes or careers come the end of 2025. My mail is we targeted an established small fwd (dont know who) in last years trade period but it didn't come off.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Pick your best 22 of 2025 - Part 1 - Pre-season

Reply #80 –
Reliable and dangerous small forwards? Seemingly, our weak link based on the last coupla years.

I find myself neither pessimistic or optimistic in relation to Motlop, Williams, Fogarty, Fantasia, Durdin and Evans. But this is the year that most of them need to present front and centre, or depart. Our small forward really are the missing piece for us, and it's a significant piece of any finals success formula.

In 2024 our delivery into the forward line was, let's be honest, pretty ordinary - kick it high and leave it to H and Charles, and later, Kempy. One dimensional and making any defender's job easier. We certainly got it in there often enough to kick bigger scores. On the occasions where mids considered their delivery into forward 50 (lowering the eyes  ;D ), and small forwards made themselves leading options - we did better.

Then there was the reality of Motlop not having a proper pre season and never getting into gear in 2024. Thus far in 2025 he is looking much better.
Then there was Fantasia in his first season at PP, with a suspect body and learning the ropes. Was very disappointing. His best is very good. Will we see that in 2025?
Then there's Fog, injury interrupted his good, reliable form, but his role is primarily as a defensive small forward, which he does well.
Then there's Zachary W moved into the forward line for a number of reasons. His 2024 forward craft? There were moments that were encouraging, but body reliability became an issue. For 2025 he's been training as a forward in the pre season. Reasonable to expect better.
Then there's Durds. Injury curtailed him big time. We see hints, but as yet nothing to be confident about... plenty of teasing. Healthy body, good pre season for 2025? Has to be the make or break year. P155 or get off the pot.
And Frankie Evans. Seems a blue collar, hard working, quick and strong defensive small forward.

So many ifs, buts and maybe's. Keeping my powder dry and remain neither pessimistic or optimistic... just hopeful.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17