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Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #105 –
Quote from: shawny – on
and yet again misread the post.

i said fans to ‘support’ him i didn't say play him every week if his form doesn't warrant it.
Fans offering an honest assessment are not dishonouring Doc, they are just speaking the truth which is better than lying to his face.

Time stops for nobody.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #106 –
Docherty is in my best 22 and Id expect him to play round 1, have a good game and be part of a winning team. My concerns are more with his health and injury so I wouldnt be running him into the ground early in the season and be looking after him where I could.

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #107 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Docherty is in my best 22 and Id expect him to play round 1, have a good game and be part of a winning team. My concerns are more with his health and injury so I wouldnt be running him into the ground early in the season and be looking after him where I could.

Exactly - Doc like Crippa and Weitering are not just names on a list they are the spiritual leaders and heartbeat of our club, play for the Guernsey and make others stand taller.  The best clubs are close and like a second family to players and stories like Docs are raw and so inspirational that his mates inside the club would want that bloke beside them when the whips are cracking and to share success with a bloke who looked death in the face and beat it.

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #108 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Docherty is in my best 22 and Id expect him to play round 1, have a good game and be part of a winning team. My concerns are more with his health and injury so I wouldnt be running him into the ground early in the season and be looking after him where I could.

Exactly - Doc like Crippa and Weitering are not just names on a list they are the spiritual leaders and heartbeat of our club, play for the Guernsey and make others stand taller.  The best clubs are close and like a second family to players and stories like Docs are raw and so inspirational that his mates inside the club would want that bloke beside them when the whips are cracking and to share success with a bloke who looked death in the face and beat it.

I think that you’re underestimating the spiritual leaders of the club; Silvagni, Newman, Curnow, McKay, Walsh and Saad are right up there.

The thing with Doc is that he refuses to be defined by illness and injury; he’s not a cancer survivor or bloke who’s done three ACLs, he’s a ten year veteran with 169 games under his belt and he is determined to add to his game tally and have a crack at a premiership.  However, Doc’s teammates would only want him beside them if he was at his best and I’m pretty sure that he wouldn’t want to be out there either unless he was in better form than the youngsters that are competing with him.

Doc’s not playing his best footy now and, on form, he’s way off our best 23.  Can he turn that around before Round 1?  Of course he can, but he has some serious competition.

I’d hate to see Doc running around in the Magoos but there’s every chance that he will.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #109 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Docherty is in my best 22 and Id expect him to play round 1, have a good game and be part of a winning team. My concerns are more with his health and injury so I wouldnt be running him into the ground early in the season and be looking after him where I could.

Exactly - Doc like Crippa and Weitering are not just names on a list they are the spiritual leaders and heartbeat of our club, play for the Guernsey and make others stand taller.  The best clubs are close and like a second family to players and stories like Docs are raw and so inspirational that his mates inside the club would want that bloke beside them when the whips are cracking and to share success with a bloke who looked death in the face and beat it.


I get it, Shawny. Really do. But we're making two important distinctions here regarding a bloke, and player, we all love.
Doc the person: courageous and inspirational, admired and respected by the entire footy community... and beyond.
Doc the footballer: still good, but seemingly not the player he was based on what we've seen in his last few games. The harsh reality is that there is very little room in a top 4 side for sentimentality. Selection of best 23 must be based on form, not reputation.

Are we writing off Doc, the footballer? Nuh. He may very well return to excellent form and will no doubt be given that opportunity. But there are concerning signs.

As for 'spiritual leader' (an overused term IMHO), you don't need to be on the field to be this, just your presence about the place lifts people. And if a 'spiritual leader' makes costly mistakes on-field, it can damage cohesion and morale even moreso (than other players).

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #110 –
I could be wrong re Doc.
But I'll have a crack at it :D

My theory is that he just cruised through pre-season...like others with similar experience.
Nothing to prove
I'll be very surprised if he doesn't play round 1 and end up with 20+ possessions.

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Reply #112 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I could be wrong re Doc.
But I'll have a crack at it :D

My theory is that he just cruised through pre-season...like others with similar experience.
Nothing to prove
I'll be very surprised if he doesn't play round 1 and end up with 20+ possessions.

You may be right about Round 1, but cruising usually doesn’t mean missing targets and shanking kicks.  To me that’s from being under more pressure than usual, and I don’t think the opposition put extra effort into Doc.

Crippa’s version of cruising is novel; taking on the ruck duties 🙄

And for a different perspective on the game:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1724258/bench-cam-reactions-conversations-and-more-from-gws-clash




It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #113 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Lods – on
I could be wrong re Doc.
But I'll have a crack at it :D

My theory is that he just cruised through pre-season...like others with similar experience.
Nothing to prove
I'll be very surprised if he doesn't play round 1 and end up with 20+ possessions.

You may be right about Round 1, but cruising usually doesn’t mean missing targets and shanking kicks.  To me that’s from being under more pressure than usual, and I don’t think the opposition put extra effort into Doc.

Crippa’s version of cruising is novel; taking on the ruck duties 🙄

And for a different perspective on the game:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1724258/bench-cam-reactions-conversations-and-more-from-gws-clash






Perception is sometimes a funny thing.
We get it in our head that a player is having a good day or a bad day based on a couple of pieces of play.
An absolute shocker of a kick gives extra weight to that perception
They stick in our head and we judge the overall performance on that basis.
You probably saw a few bits of Docherty's play that concerned you.
I probably saw a few that impressed me to the point I though he would be OK.

Time will tell who is right.
The stats for the game have Docherty's disposal efficency at 84.6%
He had a pretty even split of kicks 6 to handballs7
One or two of those kicks probably went astray.
One was a goal...so we're making a judgement on 5 kicks.

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #114 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: DJC – on


You may be right about Round 1, but cruising usually doesn’t mean missing targets and shanking kicks.  To me that’s from being under more pressure than usual, and I don’t think the opposition put extra effort into Doc.

Crippa’s version of cruising is novel; taking on the ruck duties 🙄

And for a different perspective on the game:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1724258/bench-cam-reactions-conversations-and-more-from-gws-clash






Perception is sometimes a funny thing.
We get it in our head that a player is having a good day or a bad day based on a couple of pieces of play.
An absolute shocker of a kick gives extra weight to that perception
They stick in our head and we judge the overall performance on that basis.
You probably saw a few bits of Docherty's play that concerned you.
I probably saw a few that impressed me to the point I though he would be OK.

Time will tell who is right.
The stats for the game have Docherty's disposal efficency at 84.6%
He had a pretty even split of kicks 6 to handballs7
One or two of those kicks probably went astray.
One was a goal...so we're making a judgement on 5 kicks.
I believe we all want Doc to shine, hence perceptions are filled with hope and cutting him some slack.

However, I don't think there are coloured perceptions re his last three games. And I think we're factoring in these when posing concerns.

I recall pretty clearly Doc's disposals with little or no pressure - pretty good, but under pressure... oh dear.

Over the duration Doc has not been an elite disposer of the ball by foot under pressure, a culprit many a time of kick and hope with a habit of putting way too much air under the aggott. In the last game you might recall the commentators also making mention of uncustomary fumbles by Doc.

Like you I have little doubt Doc will be in our starting 23 against the Tiggers Thursday week.

For season 2025? Fingers are crossed, but have concerns.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #115 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Lods – on


Perception is sometimes a funny thing.
We get it in our head that a player is having a good day or a bad day based on a couple of pieces of play.
An absolute shocker of a kick gives extra weight to that perception
They stick in our head and we judge the overall performance on that basis.
You probably saw a few bits of Docherty's play that concerned you.
I probably saw a few that impressed me to the point I though he would be OK.

Time will tell who is right.
The stats for the game have Docherty's disposal efficency at 84.6%
He had a pretty even split of kicks 6 to handballs7
One or two of those kicks probably went astray.
One was a goal...so we're making a judgement on 5 kicks.
I believe we all want Doc to shine, hence perceptions are filled with hope and cutting him some slack.

However, I don't think there are coloured perceptions re his last three games. And I think we're factoring in these when posing concerns.

I recall pretty clearly Doc's disposals with little or no pressure - pretty good, but under pressure... oh dear.

Over the duration Doc has not been an elite disposer of the ball by foot under pressure, a culprit many a time of kick and hope with a habit of putting way too much air under the aggott. In the last game you might recall the commentators also making mention of uncustomary fumbles by Doc.

Like you I have little doubt Doc will be in our starting 23 against the Tiggers Thursday week.

For season 2025? Fingers are crossed, but have concerns.

In those 3 games are you rating practice matches ?

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #116 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Baggers – on

I believe we all want Doc to shine, hence perceptions are filled with hope and cutting him some slack.

However, I don't think there are coloured perceptions re his last three games. And I think we're factoring in these when posing concerns.

I recall pretty clearly Doc's disposals with little or no pressure - pretty good, but under pressure... oh dear.

Over the duration Doc has not been an elite disposer of the ball by foot under pressure, a culprit many a time of kick and hope with a habit of putting way too much air under the aggott. In the last game you might recall the commentators also making mention of uncustomary fumbles by Doc.

Like you I have little doubt Doc will be in our starting 23 against the Tiggers Thursday week.

For season 2025? Fingers are crossed, but have concerns.

In those 3 games are you rating practice matches ?

I understand you're deeply sympathetic to Doc due to his off field courage and determination - pretty sure we all are. One of the finest characters ever to don the navy blue.

Comments and concerns regarding Doc's on-field are just that. Right or wrong, sentimentality regarding players is a trap. Harsh reality is if we're to improve significantly in 2025 we need around 28 blokes at their best on the paddock. Doc's not the only one with question marks at this time of the year. Let's keep our powder dry until rounds 5-6 before definitive comments can be reasonably made regarding Doc, Ollie to the backline, Kempy up forward, Walshies back, Charles' foot, no back-up ruckman, JSOS down back, impact of Newey not being available... and so on.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #117 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: shawny – on


In those 3 games are you rating practice matches ?

I understand you're deeply sympathetic to Doc due to his off field courage and determination - pretty sure we all are. One of the finest characters ever to don the navy blue.

Comments and concerns regarding Doc's on-field are just that. Right or wrong, sentimentality regarding players is a trap. Harsh reality is if we're to improve significantly in 2025 we need around 28 blokes at their best on the paddock. Doc's not the only one with question marks at this time of the year. Let's keep our powder dry until rounds 5-6 before definitive comments can be reasonably made regarding Doc, Ollie to the backline, Kempy up forward, Walshies back, Charles' foot, no back-up ruckman, JSOS down back, impact of Newey not being available... and so on.

i get all that but my question was what 3 games were you referring to that he was being judged on?

Re: 2025 Practice Match vs GWS in Canberra

Reply #118 –
You can only judge players on their recent form.  Doc doesn’t get a game in Round 1 because his 2023 form was good.

The catch for supporters is that we don’t know what benchmarks were set for Doc in the match sims and practice match.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #119 –
I dont understand all the Doc "hate", when the whips are cracking he can be relied on. I am way more concerned with our small fwds led admirably by the headless chook Motlop.
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