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Just NO more injuries 

Quote from: BluePhantom – on March 13, 2025, 09:47:33 am

Just NO more injuries 

Hopefully TDK has the body to cope with the rigours of AFL now but the ruck position is my biggest concern (Zero cover right now). He comes up against the dirty kent Nankervis who will be out to hurt and maim.

Rumours are he got busted with you know what at Wodonga Pub.

"having the courage to ... ask for help"

Its another strike - what a waste of a top end young talent.

To repeat the point, with the discarding of Mathew Owes say 32 goals, Mathew Kennedy say 18 goals and Isiah Hollands unavailable say 15 goals, plus Jack Martin a few goals, we have to find others to kick about 70 goals per season. (ie. 3 goals per game)

Hopefully messers Austin and Agresta can weave their magic and find a gem in the rough mid season. However, not at all confident 2025 will see us in the top four.

Ab

Quote from: Adelaideblue – on March 13, 2025, 08:52:46 am

To repeat the point, with the discarding of Mathew Owes say 32 goals, Mathew Kennedy say 18 goals and Isiah Hollands unavailable say 15 goals, plus Jack Martin a few goals, we have to find others to kick about 70 goals per season. (ie. 3 goals per game)

Hopefully messers Austin and Agresta can weave their magic and find a gem in the rough mid season. However, not at all confident 2025 will see us in the top four.

Ab

Kennedy and Owies weren't discarded, they were used as collateral to improve our list.

We have a fit Jesse Motlop this season and he averages just over a goal a game.  That's around 24 goals.  Since we moved Zac Williams to the forward line, he's been averaging 1.5 goals a game so that's another 30 goals.  Brodie Kemp kicked 5 goals in his three games as a forward so he could be good for at least another 30 goals.  Even Frank the Tank averaged two goals every three games with Port Adelaide.  Of course, that's all hypothetical but so is the proposition that Owies, Kennedy and Martin will kick goals in 2025.  Kennedy managed only 5 goals in 2023, Martin id still in cotton wool at Kardinia Park and Owies will have to work a hell of a lot harder at West Coast.

Our players and and structures weren't good enough last season.  We have added some run and good ball users and made significant changes to our defence and forward line.  Although Richmond may not be a true test, tonight should give some indication of whether our changes will make a positive difference.  My only real concern is whether we can keep our foot on the Tiger's throat.

Quote from: DJC – on March 13, 2025, 12:20:25 pm

Kennedy and Owies weren't discarded, they were used as collateral to improve our list.

We have a fit Jesse Motlop this season and he averages just over a goal a game.  That's around 24 goals.  Since we moved Zac Williams to the forward line, he's been averaging 1.5 goals a game so that's another 30 goals.  Brodie Kemp kicked 5 goals in his three games as a forward so he could be good for at least another 30 goals.  Even Frank the Tank averaged two goals every three games with Port Adelaide.  Of course, that's all hypothetical but so is the proposition that Owies, Kennedy and Martin will kick goals in 2025.  Kennedy managed only 5 goals in 2023, Martin id still in cotton wool at Kardinia Park and Owies will have to work a hell of a lot harder at West Coast.

Our players and and structures weren't good enough last season.  We have added some run and good ball users and made significant changes to our defence and forward line.  Although Richmond may not be a true test, tonight should give some indication of whether our changes will make a positive difference.  My only real concern is whether we can keep our foot on the Tiger's throat.

Semantics...discarded, let go, traded end result is the same and with E Hollands unavailable its going to bite us losing Owies and Kennedy who kicked nearly 50 between them.
Kemp, Motlop, Evans and even Williams isnt a quartet I would want to rely on vs any decent opposition, two of them are injury prone and Evans is on his 3rd club after being let go by Port who are not exactly small forward talent rich other than Willie Rioli.
Motlop trained well pre-season but his form in the praccy games wasnt anything that will keep the opposition awake at night and the whole question of our small forward group being an improvement on last season is unresolved Imho and I wouldnt be putting my house on them being a difference maker and I think we will need to get more goals from our midfield and wingers to make up
for what we have lost now that E Hollands is out of the team.
We are very lucky its Richmond tonight and not a final 8 contender or I think we would be struggling but we should win comfortably with our main danger being injuries. Our big mid stocks have been reduced and with only Cripps and Hewitt left available I hope the coaching staff look after them because we have nothing left to replace those bigger bodies in the middle.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on March 13, 2025, 01:48:38 pm

Semantics...discarded, let go, traded end result is the same and with E Hollands unavailable its going to bite us losing Owies and Kennedy who kicked nearly 50 between them.
Kemp, Motlop, Evans and even Williams isnt a quartet I would want to rely on vs any decent opposition, two of them are injury prone and Evans is on his 3rd club after being let go by Port who are not exactly small forward talent rich other than Willie Rioli.
Motlop trained well pre-season but his form in the praccy games wasnt anything that will keep the opposition awake at night and the whole question of our small forward group being an improvement on last season is unresolved Imho and I wouldnt be putting my house on them being a difference maker and I think we will need to get more goals from our midfield and wingers to make up
for what we have lost now that E Hollands is out of the team.
We are very lucky its Richmond tonight and not a final 8 contender or I think we would be struggling but we should win comfortably with our main danger being injuries. Our big mid stocks have been reduced and with only Cripps and Hewitt left available I hope the coaching staff look after them because we have nothing left to replace those bigger bodies in the middle.

The bottom line is that we were never going to win a premiership with Owies and Kennedy (and Akuei, Mirkov, Sam Durdin, Jack Carroll, Martin, Cuningham and Marchbank) and our list is far more capable with Haynes, Smith (next season), the Camporeales, O'Farrell and Charleson.  What's the saying, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs?  Perhaps we should have kept Owies and Kennedy and passed on the Camporeales and O'Farrell?

Bigger bodied midfielders are only useful if they can keep up with their opponents and Kennedy struggled to do that.  They're not exactly in short supply at Princes Park either.  In addition to Cripps (195cm, 93kg) and Hewett (187cm, 85kg), we have Acres (189cm, 92kg), Cerra (188cm, 87kg), Docherty (184cm, 85kg) and the injured Cincotta (186cm, 86kg).

Quote from: DJC – on March 13, 2025, 04:51:27 pm

The bottom line is that we were never going to win a premiership with Owies and Kennedy (and Akuei, Mirkov, Sam Durdin, Jack Carroll, Martin, Cuningham and Marchbank) and our list is far more capable with Haynes, Smith (next season), the Camporeales, O'Farrell and Charleson.  What's the saying, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs?  Perhaps we should have kept Owies and Kennedy and passed on the Camporeales and O'Farrell?

Bigger bodied midfielders are only useful if they can keep up with their opponents and Kennedy struggled to do that.  They're not exactly in short supply at Princes Park either.  In addition to Cripps (195cm, 93kg) and Hewett (187cm, 85kg), we have Acres (189cm, 92kg), Cerra (188cm, 87kg), Docherty (184cm, 85kg) and the injured Cincotta (186cm, 86kg).

Acres is a winger, you play him at the coalface for any length of time he will be injured, Cerra the same and he isnt a bash and crash inside mid either. Docherty is another who needs looking after and more suited to a wing and Cincotta is a utility who you can run through the middle as a tagger or relief mid but you wouldnt want to rely on him fulltime vs quality opposition midfields.