AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #45 – March 14, 2025, 12:07:51 am

Nick Haynes was single handedly the weak link in defense. Was terribly exposed, scared, miles off the pace and just woeful.

I was saying when the game got tight swapping Kemp and jsos might have been an idea.

Our geniuses waited till the game was lost to do it. We scored 2 goals 6 after half time, and most of it after surrendered the lead.

Not good. Bodes poorly for the tacticians.

We messed around putting motlop on the ball rather than getting Harry into the game, rucking cripps...

What nightmare world am I in where we trade out Kennedy and keep rucking cripps?

Why is it, that I can see these poor ideas, and our mc cannot?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #46 – March 14, 2025, 01:23:06 am

When I was sitting in the train surrounded by Black and yellow idiots crowing like they'd won the premiership, I was really, really angry.
I've settled a little, but I couldn't have been more disappointed. That sort of effort wins spoons, not premierships.
[1] We were badly outcoached. After quarter time they nullified all the winners we had early. Where were our changes to nullify theirs?
[2] The mistakes: I really don't want to go there, but I must. We gifted Richmond goals and couldn't buy one ourselves. We couldn't hit a target after quarter time, after being both brave and skilful in the first quarter. U18's don't make those mistakes, the VFL women don't make those mistakes.
[3] Haynes - I remember what this guy was like, how he was playing last year, even. I don't recognize the same player. He couldn't buy a mark, but he dropped so many, got pushed out of the way by nobodies, fumbled and turned over the ball in probably the worst individual display I have ever seen from a Carlton player. He was slow, he panicked remarkably and he was a liability.
I'd be bring up O'Farrell and Young in preference. Young makes mistakes and he panics, but he doesn't make them as much as Haynes did tonight.
[4] Our small forwards: never was so much promised by so many and delivered by so few. At the moment, I'd be looking to move Motlop on. He has so little idea as to what he should be doing, he thinks he is faster than he is and he couldn't take a mark to save his life. And we're stupid enough to kick it to him.
[5] Silvagni wasn't bad in defence; I was happy with his game. That he could, and did, move forward almost won us the game. I am happy enough to see him remain in defence, with the option of moving him forward.
[6] Kemp, on the other hand, disappointed. He had opportunities early and couldn't make the most of them. He then disappeared from the game like he was shot. I don't think he is a total lost cause yet, as we couldn't hit a target to save our lives, but he had very little presence when we needed something.
[7] Lucas C: 20 possessions wasn't bad, nor was the way he ran and made space. But very few of his possessions ended up in Carlton hands. Still, he was promising. He will get better.
[8] Jacob Weitering was probably BOG: he dominated his position all night, killed his opponent for the whole game, took contested marks (when he wasn't spoilt by someone else, like Haynes) and generally hit targets. 11 marks, 21 possessions; he was brilliant.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #47 – March 14, 2025, 02:29:56 am

First 2 rounds often define where we are mentally in our approach for the season. When we've stunk up the first 2 rounds the rest of the season is generally terrible and the coach gets sacked. That 2nd half best be an early season fitness issue otherwise we are heading down that path again. Only seen us once turn a season around, 2023, so don't have huge confidence. Like late last year, one brilliant qtr and 3 qtrs of rubbish. Seen some amazing things happen in round 1 over the years that don't define a season, so let's hope the 41 pt lead is us and we ran out of juice but not holding my breath.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #48 – March 14, 2025, 05:35:19 am

No reason for DTK to sign on now!

Been a close watcher of the Blues for 55 years - that was a filthy display last night.

We will rebound but not a finals contender this year - my fears are starting manifest (mid-range team only)

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #49 – March 14, 2025, 06:05:22 am

Pedal to the metal for a quarter and a bit only to fade away - familiar story for the last few seasons.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #50 – March 14, 2025, 06:56:42 am

Feels a bit like deja vu,
we have been in the news for the wrong reasons from the presidents photography skills to good players being injured for the season to another having to “step away” onto contract discussions onto losing games we should win all of which put us back into the era of also rans I thought we had moved on from. Apparently not.
We we were not desperate enough we left the door ajar for them and they kicked it down like a Brighton burglary.
We now have to win games we could have dropped in tight situations.
Sigh 😮‍💨

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #51 – March 14, 2025, 07:00:54 am

Credit where credit is due.

None there, so none given.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #52 – March 14, 2025, 07:21:21 am

Quote from: 31Tommys_barber – on March 14, 2025, 06:56:42 am

Feels a bit like deja vu,
we have been in the news for the wrong reasons from the presidents photography skills to good players being injured for the season to another having to “step away” onto contract discussions onto losing games we should win all of which put us back into the era of also rans I thought we had moved on from. Apparently not.
We we were not desperate enough we left the door ajar for them and they kicked it down like a Brighton burglary.
We now have to win games we could have dropped in tight situations.
Sigh 😮‍💨

Second to the footy all night, players waiting for their team mate to go get it mean while the Rich bloke stole it and ran away with it. Quite a few shirked contests, we are definitely pretenders.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #53 – March 14, 2025, 07:35:48 am

We are simply not ruthless enough to be a premiership contender.

As soon as the heat notch went up a couple of degrees, most of the team started playing scared. The Haynes/McGovern thing near the boundary was the just about most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

It is time to start picking some of the younger brigade like Moir, Wilson, and Carroll, and get the VFL spuds back where they belong.

We had more passengers than the 10.34 to Glen Waverley.......

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #54 – March 14, 2025, 07:37:06 am

Are we shell shocked, in front of big crowds we look like a rabbit in the headlights these days?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #55 – March 14, 2025, 07:41:10 am

Quote from: tonyo – on March 14, 2025, 07:35:48 am

We are simply not ruthless enough to be a premiership contender.

As soon as the heat notch went up a couple of degrees, most of the team started playing scared. The Haynes/McGovern thing near the boundary was the just about most pathetic thing I have ever seen.

It is time to start picking some of the younger brigade like Moir, Wilson, and Carroll, and get the VFL spuds back where they belong.

We had more passengers than the 10.34 to Glen Waverley.......

Time to play/blood kids agree. To many in this crop aren't good enough, time and time again we fail. No more excuses, time to see if the next crop are any good. Could not perform any worse than the fraudsters last night.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #56 – March 14, 2025, 07:45:09 am

Tell ya what pick 7 to Geelong for SDK and bagging TDK for $1m a season seems pretty good deal right now looking at McG and effin Haynes JFC

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #57 – March 14, 2025, 08:26:56 am

After a crap night's sleep, nothing has changed !!

I'm still bitterly disappointed after that loss.

And it's not losing that really annoys me, its the manner in which we lost that gets me thoroughly fired up.

Any Blues fan who was content with that limp effort last night must have a mental disorder because it was unacceptable on every level.

Our coaching group are a rabble once again, they have no Plan B or C preferring to make a silly tweak (eg. Cripps into the ruck) in the vain hope that it will work. Yze outcoached them and he has 20-games under his belt, how screwing embarrassing is that !!

As for the players, if Weitering, DeKoning & Cripps get hit by a bus, we will be certain wooden spooners, there is bugger all else on the list with any fight or class.

Don't start me on Motlop, the guy's job is to kick goals as the designated small forward yet he failed miserably, he is a very dumb footballer who will never graduate fully. He's not desperate enough, he takes soft options in the clinches (eg. trying the dinky little kick off the ground instead of picking it up). and is yet to hurt another team on the scoreboard.

When our wonderboy List Manager thinks we are in such a good space list-wise that we can afford to bring in two bone-fide lemons like Haynes & Evans then clearly his role at the club has to be seriously questioned.

Why was Binns or Moir overlooked in favour of Evans ?? Clearly we have the Mensa Life Member group on the selection committee too.

Way too many players at our club are trading on past glories and/or too content to take the big fat weekly paycheck instead of actually earning it. There is a cultural issue amongst these players yet again, we are not going anywhere again, sadly, we have to seriously panel-beat this list once again.

Late today or sometime over the weekend, I will be doing my annual review of the playing list (you all knew it would come out after a bad loss so stop whinging) but it was not expected to be seen this early in the season.

Sadly, I am now resigned to the fact that I will never see another premiership in my lifetime such is the rabble we have become. We are the new St. Kilda with no grit, fight or aggro, we have already been surpassed by many of the opposition clubs and will now stay mid to lower table for eternity.

Carlton, you really crap me now, you promise everything with your upbeat online marketing & "she'll be right attitude" when that position couldn't be further from the truth.

Some of the past players like the Dominator, Sticks, Doull etc must be embarrassed to sit in the stands and watch these lame efforts. These sorts of standards from the current players would not have tolerated back in their day, I fail to understand why they are now.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #58 – March 14, 2025, 08:41:06 am

Don't go looking too far for answers.
A couple of posters have mentioned it already.
There are many contributing factors but...

Apart from the 2 or 3 players (who carry the side) we are a mentally weak side.
That's the problem.
And when the crunch comes, if things don't change, we will be let down time and again.

We came for a quarter, but were we ever really mentally prepared that this was the 'real' thing?
After quarter time their desire, pressure and intensity was far greater and momentum went with them.
Under that pressure our skills and decision making just fell apart.
By the time we woke up in the last,it all became hurried and rushed and we were unable to get it together enough to get over the line.

The one certainty about AFL football is that 'nothing' is certain.
(We should get some good odds for next week)

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #59 – March 14, 2025, 08:55:41 am

Quote from: tex – on March 14, 2025, 07:45:09 am

Tell ya what pick 7 to Geelong for SDK and bagging TDK for $1m a season seems pretty good deal right now looking at McG and effin Haynes JFC

We might have pick 1 to play with...