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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #60
Completely dominated the game without winning it.
I am not sure what to say after sleeping on it.
Richmond kept turning over the ball as well but we couldn't score from it.

All I can take from it - Richmonds defence is still elite

Flags are won from defence and need to get that right next week.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #61
No, we gave away our first rounder for this year, remember guys.  Our brilliant "list strategy"....
Give away two valuable and effective players.
Recruit crap trucks to replace them.
No viable tall defensive options other than Weeter.  No pacey defenders.
Refuse to develop a second ruck option
Refuse to develop buy or steal a small forward, certainly one with pace
Keep drafting clueless slow players who can't kick and keep playing them.
Horrible unbalanced list.

Seen enough, Austin and Agresta have to be under the pump.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #62
No, we gave away our first rounder for this year, remember guys.  Our brilliant "list strategy"....
Give away two valuable and effective players.
Recruit crap trucks to replace them.
No viable tall defensive options other than Weeter.  No pacey defenders.
Refuse to develop a second ruck option
Refuse to develop buy or steal a small forward, certainly one with pace
Keep drafting clueless slow players who can't kick and keep playing them.
Horrible unbalanced list.

Seen enough, Austin and Agresta have to be under the pump.
Agree...coaching staff and recruiters have to be under the microscope now.
Voss had that lost confused look you see on coaches when they don't have any more levers to pull..

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #63
Tell ya what pick 7 to Geelong for SDK and bagging TDK for $1m a season seems pretty good deal right now looking at McG and effin Haynes JFC
We might have pick 1 to play with...

Won't Hawthorn have that?

 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #64
Haynes - will be (one of) the whipping boys this week I'm sure and I was as disappointed as much as anyone. He seemed to fumble and drop marks - generally looked like he was lacking touch.
On the upside he did get to many contests and moved well enough. I'm hoping it was a blip on the radar and he will be better for the run. I wouldn't be writing him off yet. Walsh was far from his best - add to that list Kemp, McGovern - all players we know can play. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #65
Watching Carlton is like listening to Gold FM except the hits and memories aren't all that good. Some people have said we don't have a Plan B or C but if you can't kick and hand ball the ball to your team mates then you don't have a Plan A.
What is the point of having Binns, Lemmey, Wilson and Moir on the list if you are not going to play them. McGovern, Haynes, Evans and unfortunately Docherty have no future.
Winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. The relationship between the players and the supporters is an abusive one and the players need to be honest and simply say that they do not care.
Our players are football stupid, they wallow in mediocrity, they don't commit to the team, don't sacrifice for the team, take no responsibility, shun leadership, never embrace a challenge and give up when things get tough. Their lives are way too comfortable.
The articles in the Age reinforces my opinion that the problems at Carlton are cultural and began after 1996. We can change the coaches, change the players, change the President and Committee, change the CEO, change the recruiters, change the football department and change everything else, but the result is still the same.  The team picks and chooses whether and when they will try and it is so much easier to fail than succeed.
I thought after 2023 things had changed and I was heartened by the games against West Coast and St.Kilda last year but it is still the same old Carlton. Voss, Cook and Sayers have not changed a thing. Does the Club really want to change or are they just happy telling feel good stories and deflecting reality?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #66
Tell ya what pick 7 to Geelong for SDK and bagging TDK for $1m a season seems pretty good deal right now looking at McG and effin Haynes JFC
We might have pick 1 to play with...
we've traded it to hawthorn.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #67
Hopefully, when season 2025 is done and dusted, we can look back and say, factually and accurately, that R1 was our worst performance by far. Otherwise we’re just wasting everybody’s time.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #68
Haynes - will be (one of) the whipping boys this week I'm sure and I was as disappointed as much as anyone. He seemed to fumble and drop marks - generally looked like he was lacking touch.
On the upside he did get to many contests and moved well enough. I'm hoping it was a blip on the radar and he will be better for the run. I wouldn't be writing him off yet. Walsh was far from his best - add to that list Kemp, McGovern - all players we know can play. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water.

I think everyone will have their favourite whipping boys.
Hayne's disposal was poor at times (He wasn't Robinson Crusoe) but he did get plenty of them.
Docherty, the same, poor disposal but he played a quarter of a game and had 14 of them.
The disposal all around was awful, but it's not like we didn't get plenty of opportunities.

Walsh was a funny one, I hardly noticed him but he also got plenty of the ball.

Rusty round 1???
Hopefully.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #69
If we kicked straight, we would be having a different conversation, but we didn't.

If we brought the ball into our forward line better then...
Why the Fu%*ing fu#$ do we keep bombing it??????????????
We've been doing it year on year out to suggest IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!
IT DOES NOT WORK

Clear out the forward line of all our specialist small forwards and leave the big fellas room to lead to.
Everyman and his dog is inside the 50 wanting to kick a goal.
Let them lead and honour the leads.
Play team footy and the team will win.

Get Eddie Betts to mentor Motlop because the only thing he knows what to do at the moment is run onto the ground through the banner. Otherwise clueless!!!

How to stop other teams momentums??
Leaders lead and Coaches coach.
Our Leaders NEED to be more vocal or demanding of players and our Coaches, well, I would like them to be ALOT more tactical.
Not the end of the world but it certainly felt like it.


2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #70
Now every opposition coach knows (we've known it for ages), this group is mentally soft.

Forget singling out individuals, their poor or average efforts are but symptoms of us being mentally soft. When a few drop their heads it sweeps through the side like a virus - poor leadership, discipline and resilience... and fight. We don't fight, we'd rather finesse.

Remember the GWS game last year when we established a big lead then we started drinking our bath water and then were easily overrun... and have seldom looked any good/threatening since.

When you consider the circumstance (opening round), the young, inexperienced opposition... we capitulated. We actually looked frightened and desperate. When the pressure comes we resort to type - an ordinary football team.

Same old, same old... apply serious pressure and we go to water and panic.

Vossy uses the word 'disappointed' a lot, I'd replace that word with pathetic. Just a disjointed, poorly skilled rabble who cannot handle the real tough stuff of AFL footy at the highest level. Our brand was embarrassed last night, even humiliated.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #71
Now every opposition coach knows (we've known it for ages), this group is mentally soft.

Forget singling out individuals, their poor or average efforts are but symptoms of us being mentally soft. When a few drop their heads it sweeps through the side like a virus - poor leadership, discipline and resilience... and fight. We don't fight, we'd rather finesse.

Remember the GWS game last year when we established a big lead then we started drinking our bath water and then were easily overrun... and have seldom looked any good/threatening since.

When you consider the circumstance (opening round), the young, inexperienced opposition... we capitulated. We actually looked frightened and desperate. When the pressure comes we resort to type - an ordinary football team.

Same old, same old... apply serious pressure and we go to water and panic.

Vossy uses the word 'disappointed' a lot, I'd replace that word with pathetic. Just a disjointed, poorly skilled rabble who cannot handle the real tough stuff of AFL footy at the highest level. Our brand was embarrassed last night, even humiliated.

Yep
Mentally weak.
The problem is this is not something you can coach.
And once entrenched it's hard to turn around.
It can come from experience, especially through years of adversity.
It can make you tougher, more resilient.
Who are our mentally tough players.
Cripps, Weitering, Docherty (for sure), I think DeKoning has it in him, Newman (sadly), Walsh??? (has been hampered a bit by injury), Silvagni... it falls away rather dramatically after that.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #72
Completely dominated the game without winning it.
I am not sure what to say after sleeping on it.
Richmond kept turning over the ball as well but we couldn't score from it.

All I can take from it - Richmonds defence is still elite

Flags are won from defence and need to get that right next week.
Even when we got to our 41 point lead, they defended that stupid, Hail Mary long bomb into the fwd line very well.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #73
If we kicked straight, we would be having a different conversation, but we didn't.

If we brought the ball into our forward line better then...
Why the Fu%*ing fu#$ do we keep bombing it??????????????
We've been doing it year on year out to suggest IT DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!
IT DOES NOT WORK

Clear out the forward line of all our specialist small forwards and leave the big fellas room to lead to.
Everyman and his dog is inside the 50 wanting to kick a goal.
Let them lead and honour the leads.
Play team footy and the team will win.

Get Eddie Betts to mentor Motlop because the only thing he knows what to do at the moment is run onto the ground through the banner. Otherwise clueless!!!

How to stop other teams momentums??
Leaders lead and Coaches coach.
Our Leaders NEED to be more vocal or demanding of players and our Coaches, well, I would like them to be ALOT more tactical.
Not the end of the world but it certainly felt like it.



Motlop is beyond mentoring and beyond AFL. I dont care how young he is or anything else, he is not AFL level now and never will be. Getting rid of Owies came home to roost last night, we have a serious gap now. Getting in Haynes to fill a gap has now created one instead.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #74
Pedal to the metal for a quarter and a bit only to fade away - familiar story for the last few seasons.



Welcome Buli, pity the team didn’t care as much last night.
Let’s go BIG !