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Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #195 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
A brief period of masochism. I watched the game again with a few mates. Watching us fall apart when under enthusiastic heat was revealing.. Where are our tough blokes, blokes with mental hardness, leadership and discipline? Fair dinkum,, apart from Nick Newman I cannot think of any other bloke I'd want to be in the trenches with. Yet watching the Dawks, they seemed blessed with hard at i t types. Our niceness is palpable but not a handy ingredient in a gladiatorial sport. We need an alchemist as a senior coach to give our blokes a persistent tenacious hardness/mongrel.
Masochism is putting it mildly...haha.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #196 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: bobby – on


Tenacious / Hard / Mongrel. Maybe some 1-1 tackling drills with the coach and a video of basically any game the coach played. Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xh5N6yPa9U
There'll only ever be 1 Michael Voss the footballer, tough, skilful, ruthless and an absolute Kent. They broke the mold when they made him.

Now he needs to reconnect with those admirable qualities required to build a footy team consistently delivering those traits.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #197 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
There'll only ever be 1 Michael Voss the footballer, tough, skilful, ruthless and an absolute Kent. They broke the mold when they made him.

Now he needs to reconnect with those admirable qualities required to build a footy team consistently delivering those traits.
You cant teach what he has
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #198 –
I think we all need The club to cut the crap with the whole they went to Ed’s house and suddenly everyone understood that oh they must work hard to win football games 🙄 like seriously over this nonsense. They’re professional athletes in a professional club / there is obviously some breakdown in comms amongst the coaches and the players - why is that? How on earth do you get 41 pts up and capitulate to a team of children? Pathetic.

ETA shouldn’t take a whipping in the media and by supporters to make them play better! Where’s the fking inner strength and leadership? If it’s not there now with who you’ve got then bloody replace them!
 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #199 –
Just a friendly reminder that we spent most of last season in top 8, including sitting 2nd from rounds 14-20 inclusive. That's nearly 2 months near the end of the season in the top 2. There's an issue with finishing off our good work, whether in the last rounds of 2024, or in the 2nd half of the Richmond game. No doubt we all have our pet theories as to why we fall away late, but I think it's important to not over react, and not throw away some excellent foundations as we try to find out how to apply the finishing touches.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #200 –
I still think it all comes back to stability.
Get close to you best side on the park on a consistent basis and everything else will fall into place

Structure, Support, Confidence, Skills, Pressure all are better with a group that play together on a regular basis.


Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #201 –
Top 6 goal kickers last  year: Charlie, Harry, Owies, Cripps, E Hollands, Kennedy.......

Last one out, turn the light off!!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #202 –
Yeah its a bit of a shambles they didnt look at that.  Although Id wager kennedy didnt score that many goals. 


Just looked it up, 16 was his total.  Not exactly a goal a game, but not far from it.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #203 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Baggers – on


Now he needs to reconnect with those admirable qualities required to build a footy team consistently delivering those traits.
You cant teach what he has

I didn't say teach, I said reconnect. We know it's there, time for him to now reconnect, embrace and express with passion those traits. Unite his boys to be on the same page of fierce leadership and unwavering discipline.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #204 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
You cant teach what he has

I didn't say teach, I said reconnect. We know it's there, time for him to now reconnect, embrace and express with passion those traits. Unite his boys to be on the same page of fierce leadership and unwavering discipline.
We dont know that he hasn't been or is doing the above and our blokes just dont get it.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #205 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Baggers – on


I didn't say teach, I said reconnect. We know it's there, time for him to now reconnect, embrace and express with passion those traits. Unite his boys to be on the same page of fierce leadership and unwavering discipline.
We dont know that he hasn't been or is doing the above and our blokes just dont get it.
Voss was exceptional as a 17 year old, his contested work and skills were all natural imo and I'm not sure you can teach that will to impose yourself on the game and attack the footy like he did.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #206 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Voss was exceptional as a 17 year old, his contested work and skills were all natural imo and I'm not sure you can teach that will to impose yourself on the game and attack the footy like he did.
He had the nasty brutal edge that we lack, and he had it in spades, in the contest Voss reminded me of Dominator.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #207 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Voss was exceptional as a 17 year old, his contested work and skills were all natural imo and I'm not sure you can teach that will to impose yourself on the game and attack the footy like he did.
He had the nasty brutal edge that we lack, and he had it in spades, in the contest Voss reminded me of Dominator.
Brutal is the word....

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #208 –
Quote from: LP – on
He had the nasty brutal edge that we lack, and he had it in spades, in the contest Voss reminded me of Dominator.

Are there current players from any of the 18 teams that you think play like Voss ?

Re: AFL Rd 1 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #209 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Are there current players from any of the 18 teams that you think play like Voss ?
With regard to brutality and aggression at the footy without necessarily being a Voss type, we played one last week in Nankervis.

Larkey
Balta
DeGoey
Greene
Heeney
Sicily
Maynard
Rozee
Zorko
Liberatore
Zuharr
Cameron
JHF
Fogarty
Membrey
Stringer
Hogan

They all have an identifiable hard / ruthless edge, some extend it beyond the attack on the footy, we seem to lack a similar type which is why I think Ollie Hollands stood out last week with his attack on the footy. Perhaps before his issues his brother Elijah might have been our most aggressive type, perhaps equal with Weiters.

One thing that stands out in that list, it's dominated by F50 types.

I sometimes deride our club as having a safe workspaces feel about it, I realise given the nature of AFL some might not agree, but relative to the rest of the competition I think it's a fair observation even if it is subjective.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"