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Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Lost by 4
 BH 11-14- 80 Carlton 12-4-76

Boyd had 23 at 82% efficiency, a few errors but, probably enough to earn a senior spot.

Camporeale had 13 (10 in the last) but also a 'few' errors (46% disposal)
Needs a few weeks at this level but hopefully a whole game next time around.

Moir got a goal in the last and gave another one away but with seven disposals nowhere near enough.

Binns-had 21 disposals but not a very pretty 21.
Evans, White, Wilson didn't do enough for promotion.

Lemmey...Not for a while yet...possibly a long while.

Of the Non-Carlton listed.
Will Hayes had a ton of ball, Liked the ruckman Riley, McMahon 4 goals and Matty Hogg's boy Darcy went OK.

Good summary
 

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #46 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
A couple of observations

Jordan Boyd a little rusty but probably enough for a call up.

For those calling for Lemmey to come into our senior side, he’s a mile off it - he simply gets pushed aside way too easily. Nice kicking style, plenty of run but needs more time in the gym.

Ben Camporeale can get the ball but he has a very awkward ball drop/kicking style that could be prone to inaccuracy. He’s a watch.

Moir all class but just didn’t get involved often enough. Not enough to warrant a senior call up and needs to increase his intensity.

Francis Evans/Will White - VFL is the perfect fit for both. A complete and utter mystery why these guys are on our senior list.

Billy Wilson needs to execute simple plays more consistently. A work in progress.

Harry Charleson didn’t see him often enough to comment.

All in all not a lot to get excited about!



Agree with all that, Boyd is the only player who earned a call up IMHO.

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #47 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree with all that, Boyd is the only player who earned a call up IMHO.
I didn't watch the match, but I'd just about bet my left nut on this being the outcome based on the team listed on paper.
Very poor line-up.
Cupboard is bare

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #48 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree with all that, Boyd is the only player who earned a call up IMHO.
I didn't watch the match, but I'd just about bet my left nut on this being the outcome based on the team listed on paper.
Very poor line-up.
Cupboard is bare
Agree...McMahon would be the other player under consideration but for reasons only the recruiting dept would know we took Frank the Blank stat sheet instead.

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #49 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: kruddler – on

I didn't watch the match, but I'd just about bet my left nut on this being the outcome based on the team listed on paper.
Very poor line-up.
Cupboard is bare
Agree...McMahon would be the other player under consideration but for reasons only the recruiting dept would know we took Frank the Blank stat sheet instead.
Frank is bad enough, but will white after that has me completely stuffed!

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #50 –
Well, and not wanting to be obtuse or contrary, I actually enjoyed the game whilst chowing down on my rocket salad, with pecorino cheese, smoked oysters in mineral water, organic tomatoes, olive oil with a dash of balsamic vinegar -- pies are a once a week guilty pleasure reserved for watching the seniors!

Boyd was a highlight. His enthusiasm results in the occasional blue -- so what, he takes the game on -- but his 50 metre darts (better than 80% accuracy) broke lines and created opportunities.

Confused by the admiration for McMahon. Yes, a truly brilliant kick for goal and takes a good mark, but as was shown when competing with seniors in the pre season he's still got plenty to learn about ground work, second efforts and competing with stronger bodies.

Comparisons between White and Evans are, unfair. Plenty to work with regarding White, got plenty of the aggott, has good disposal and hits the scoreboard. Evans, IMHO, is behind White and confuses me as to his adding to the list. Sorry but Evans, on last night's effort, is even pretty average at VFL level.

Lemmey? Oh dear. Moir? Good impact player but much, much more needed. Binns? Gets plenty of it but needs a helluva lot of work on decision making and disposal. Billy Wilson? Sorry, still not seeing it.

Darcy Hogg is coming along nicely, big improvement already on last year. Fingers crossed.
Ben Camporeale had immediate impact. Rusty as all get out... his first few foot passes were shockers but as the game wore on, and remember, he only played a half, his impact improved and increased. In fact he scored the most Fantasy Points of any player on the ground in a half of footy... had he produced what he did in that half over four qtrs, he'd have had easily the most Fantasy Points of any player on the ground!!!

And my mantra on efficiency was on display last night... we were efficient in front of goal and the Dawks were shockers - kept us in the game. And that provided us with the opportunity when, in the last qtr we went on the attack in waves through the guts, we almost snatched it. Wouldn't have deserved it but it's amazing how efficiency, even you're down in other areas, can keep you in the game - scoreboard wise... the stat that matters most.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Confused by the admiration for McMahon. Yes, a truly brilliant kick for goal and takes a good mark, but as was shown when competing with seniors in the pre season he's still got plenty to learn about ground work, second efforts and competing with stronger bodies.

Comparisons between White and Evans are, unfair. Plenty to work with regarding White, got plenty of the aggott, has good disposal and hits the scoreboard. Evans, IMHO, is behind White and confuses me as to his adding to the list. Sorry but Evans, on last night's effort, is even pretty average at VFL level.
You've answered your own question in these paragraphs.

White is not AFL ready, Evans is. I wouldn't have used picks on either, but rather McMahon due to the dearth of talent in the KPP on the senior list.

We have nobody of KP size between 22 and 26 apart from TDK our 1st choice ruck and Kemp who isn't actually a KPP.

McMahon fills a hole on our list and ticks some boxes.
Evans and White both fill a spot on our list, not a hole.

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #52 –
The guy that caught my eye the most was a guy on Box Hills list Ethan Stanley, aggression and pace.

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #53 –
McMahon has showed ability at both ends of the ground and is fairly consistent.
We all know his weakness in terms of second efforts but a good coaching staff could improve that area of his game and this is what the rookie list is for.
By all means select White but McMahon has more ability and strings to his bow than Evans who has been tried and failed at two clubs and his was a bizarre selection imo. Charlie was played unfit and that's because we had no other viable backup...bad for Charlie and bad for the team. Voss and Austin need to lift their game and be accountable for these continual poor list management failures.

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #54 –
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!

Anyone know more about him?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!

Anyone know more about him?

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1692144/promising-young-trio-sign-on

height: 206cm
weight: 101kg
D.O.B: 05-04-2004

Thought he was pretty mobile too.
Also able to get down for some ground ball as well.

He's been overlooked in a couple of drafts but here's a report from an underage match a few seasons back.

Quote
Flynn  Riley
It was a massive day at the office for the ruckman, who won his individual battle with Tassie’s talls and played a crucial role in getting the Knights over the line in dramatic fashion. Riley recorded a whopping 49 hitouts, and his placement was simply terrific, allowing the Northern midfielders to take the ball on the run and get it forward as fast as possible. His work around the ground was just as impressive, slotting a pair of goals including a clutch major via snap to put the Knights within a point with just minutes remaining. Riley was a central figure for the Knights getting over the line, and stamped his authority on the contest across all four quarters.

Keep an eye on him. ;)

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!

Anyone know more about him?
He played last year for Greensborough in the Northern league after spending 2022 and 2023 at the Northern Knights. We had him on our list last year, but he didn't play. Mind you, we also had Jed Brereton (ruckman from Bendigo) on the list and he played 1 game (a practice game at that).
He has been working with Matt Kreuzer for a while now and appears to have some upside.
He doesn't quite have the body yet, he struggled against Reeves last night late in the game in this area, but he is improving. He also has more game sense than Mirkov.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #57 –
who are our quick strong players in ressies ,i watched first Q and can see how bad our recruiting is .I am sorry but a player like Binns for  example is just to small (what has he got) he would not get a game in any AFL side. look at hawks recruiting bigger stronger quicker starts in reserves and Austin gives us francis and haynes  WOW

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #58 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!

Anyone know more about him?
He played last year for Greensborough in the Northern league after spending 2022 and 2023 at the Northern Knights. We had him on our list last year, but he didn't play. Mind you, we also had Jed Brereton (ruckman from Bendigo) on the list and he played 1 game (a practice game at that).
He has been working with Matt Kreuzer for a while now and appears to have some upside.
He doesn't quite have the body yet, he struggled against Reeves last night late in the game in this area, but he is improving. He also has more game sense than Mirkov.

Quote from: crashlander – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Someone I neglected to mention in my missive/thoughts on last nights game... Flynn Riley. I know nothing about this fella... could be 28 and just a very good VFL player we recruited, but if he's a kid... impressive. Liked his work, for a big fella he can mark, tap, kick and handball!

Anyone know more about him?
He played last year for Greensborough in the Northern league after spending 2022 and 2023 at the Northern Knights. We had him on our list last year, but he didn't play. Mind you, we also had Jed Brereton (ruckman from Bendigo) on the list and he played 1 game (a practice game at that).
He has been working with Matt Kreuzer for a while now and appears to have some upside.
He doesn't quite have the body yet, he struggled against Reeves last night late in the game in this area, but he is improving. He also has more game sense than Mirkov.
That's what really stood out to me, Capt Crash. Game sense. He stays engaged with the game, we like that. Footy IQ. Way ahead of the Mirk. And when the aggott was on the grass he could get down amongst it as well. There was a moment in the game where we had the ball around HB, under real heat from the Dawks, and the defender -- to avoid getting tackled -- handballed to Flynn and I immediately thought, "Oh sh*t, you don't handball to a ruckman!!!" Flynn didn't flinch (??), instantly sized up the best option and disposed accurately by foot to a team mate. So from then on I watched him more closely... definite potential. One to watch.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL 2021 Rd 1: Carlton vs Box Hill at Carlton

Reply #59 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Confused by the admiration for McMahon. Yes, a truly brilliant kick for goal and takes a good mark, but as was shown when competing with seniors in the pre season he's still got plenty to learn about ground work, second efforts and competing with stronger bodies.

Comparisons between White and Evans are, unfair. Plenty to work with regarding White, got plenty of the aggott, has good disposal and hits the scoreboard. Evans, IMHO, is behind White and confuses me as to his adding to the list. Sorry but Evans, on last night's effort, is even pretty average at VFL level.
You've answered your own question in these paragraphs.

White is not AFL ready, Evans is. I wouldn't have used picks on either, but rather McMahon due to the dearth of talent in the KPP on the senior list.

We have nobody of KP size between 22 and 26 apart from TDK our 1st choice ruck and Kemp who isn't actually a KPP.

McMahon fills a hole on our list and ticks some boxes.
Evans and White both fill a spot on our list, not a hole.


Nuh. We're going to have to agree to disagree - one of the beauties of humans with differing perspectives.

The powers-to-be saw Evans and White ahead of McMahon for a reason. And we can only speculate as to why, but they obviously had their reasons. In the fullness of time, Grasshopper, we may understand why ;) 
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17