AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

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Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #90 – March 25, 2025, 07:32:51 am

The play was dead though.

Let's face it, the game was being "reset" after a goal.

How much are we going to talk about this? No advantage was gained if anything a player had to run more to get off before the match restarted, there was no advantage, the play was dead, and im sitting here saying what clown earth have I woken up in where we are talking detail as a reason for us to gain an advantage?

We are all pretty dissapointed in how we are travelling. The Hawks are the afls darlings and always will be.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #91 – March 25, 2025, 08:19:10 am

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 25, 2025, 07:32:51 am

The play was dead though.

Let's face it, the game was being "reset" after a goal.

How much are we going to talk about this? No advantage was gained if anything a player had to run more to get off before the match restarted, there was no advantage, the play was dead, and im sitting here saying what clown earth have I woken up in where we are talking detail as a reason for us to gain an advantage?

We are all pretty dissapointed in how we are travelling. The Hawks are the afls darlings and always will be.

I don't think the Hawks should have had their points wiped.
You're right the play was dead.
The extra man gave them no advantage.
I'm not even worried about any disadvantage to us.
Forget that.
That's done and dusted.

The issue for me is the fact that we have these rules that are written down, and sanctions that should apply. We now also see that as well as the general rules, there is this detailed set of "Regulations" that outline penalties for breaches of the rules.
Many of these rules and regulations have a clause along the lines of 'the controlling body can amend any penalty as they see fit'
Under the 'regulations' the Hawks should have received a fine.
25x the unit ($1,000)
Was that applied or did they just get the warning?
Would every club be treated the same?
Going forward with these decisions we have a precedent.
Consistency in the future is the only issue for me, and that's a wait and see.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #92 – March 25, 2025, 08:51:32 am

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 25, 2025, 07:32:51 am

The play was dead though.

Let's face it, the game was being "reset" after a goal.

How much are we going to talk about this? No advantage was gained if anything a player had to run more to get off before the match restarted, there was no advantage, the play was dead, and im sitting here saying what clown earth have I woken up in where we are talking detail as a reason for us to gain an advantage?

We are all pretty dissapointed in how we are travelling. The Hawks are the afls darlings and always will be.

I think the point is the Butterfly effect - another goal at that point in the game, and we would have had a serious lead at half time. As it turns out, Motlop's goal is disallowed, we miss the 50 metre penalty, and the Hawks get a soft out-the-back goal in the last minute. If (big if I know....) we lead by 4 goals at half-time, I think we win the game.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #93 – March 25, 2025, 09:01:46 am

Look I get it, but is it fair?

If we were on the receiving end of that, how would we feel about it?

There are elements of rules that I am all for. This one doesnt sit correctly with me irrespective of what the rules state. If you get an unfair advantage sure.

I am filthier at our set shots hitting posts at crucial moments. The tom Barrass goal line free kick that is never paid, and a few other dubious things like the obvious throws that got missed.

We shot ourselves in the foot, and this comes across as fan whinging that there was a technical. Do you want to be a good side and win? Or do you want to be the team that wins despite being not good enough too?

There was an incident where after a goal one of our players was knocked over post goal. Normally thats a double goal against, with a free kick at the restart. Im dirtier about that, than anything else. City end of the ground.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #94 – March 25, 2025, 12:20:07 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 25, 2025, 09:01:46 am

Look I get it, but is it fair?

If we were on the receiving end of that, how would we feel about it?

There are elements of rules that I am all for. This one doesnt sit correctly with me irrespective of what the rules state. If you get an unfair advantage sure.

I am filthier at our set shots hitting posts at crucial moments. The tom Barrass goal line free kick that is never paid, and a few other dubious things like the obvious throws that got missed.

We shot ourselves in the foot, and this comes across as fan whinging that there was a technical. Do you want to be a good side and win? Or do you want to be the team that wins despite being not good enough too?

There was an incident where after a goal one of our players was knocked over post goal. Normally thats a double goal against, with a free kick at the restart. Im dirtier about that, than anything else. City end of the ground.

Thry rules are rules, lets at least not fark the unambiguous ones up, 19 men on the ground is 19 men on the ground, there are enough morons on the boundary line with their little folders ticking off players as they come and go, its not that hard. Its a free kick, 50m penalty, lets move on. How we might have felt about it if it was us is irrelevant.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #95 – March 25, 2025, 03:24:01 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 25, 2025, 09:01:46 am

Look I get it, but is it fair?

Straw that broke the camels back.

How many goals were overturned.
How many goals did we miss out on through things like this and free kicks not paid?

Its akin to being kicked in the guts, when you are already on the ground.

There is no denying, even from opposition supporters, that umpiring calls influenced the momentum of the game.
I called a few in the in-game thread.

There was an in the back not paid to us, but paid to the hawks 30 seconds later. Both identical and involved a tackler falling forward directly onto the ball carrier. Opposite results.
McGovern got called for holding the ball / incorrect disposal. He got tackled instantly, the ball popped out as part of the tackle. It fell directly back to him where he instantly handballed it (correctly) yet had a free against. How? What rule did he break? No prior, ball came out, collected again (while still being held) and got a correct disposal away. HOW?
Snicko on the post.
Jack 'illegal' shepherd on the line stopping goal of the year from TDK.
Touched ball on the line.

There's a case that with luck in our favour vs against, that we win that game by 6 goals.

People fixate on this one rule because it is clearly black and white. The AFL admitted the f***ed up. There seems to be some disagreement on how badly they f***ed up, but end result is we got the short end of the stick.....again.

Life isn't fair.
Rules are supposed to be......but they are not currently.

Re: AFL Rd 2 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #96 – March 25, 2025, 03:34:19 pm

The in the back against SoJ was extraordinary because neither player had any hope of touching the footy, it passed the goal line 2m above the nearest outstretched hand.

It's normally the case umpires ignore that inconsequential free for the very reason players can stage for frees when there is no hope of any other outcome.

If the umpires change to this shocking behaviour as default, you'll find defenders dropping like flies off the footy 30m away from the goal line.

A reduction to the absurdity exposes the flawed ruling. In the absence of some blatant infringement like a straight king hit or punch to the face, how far away does the infringement have to be to become influential, 100cm, then what of 99.5cm or 101cm? It is instantly absurd, it can't be umpired and so it was an obvious umpiring mistake!