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Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #105 –
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Moir makes most sense and after him I would have taken Binns before Evans,  even in Evans preferred position.

To be honest I just don’t get Evans based on current VFL form (bad) or past performances (bad)

Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game.  Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.

You will probably laugh at me but I have a feeling Moir may be a modern day Brent Croswell. Literally bored to be out there unless he's on the big stage. He is obviously miles from Croswell in terms of achievements, but in the little we have seen I think does have that mercurial way, yet at the sametime lazy way about him. Not much room or appetite for these types nowadays.
 

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #106 –
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Its not drug use - he broke up with his girlfriend. Seriously how soft are these blokes... there is no way he should not be performing at a high level over a girlfriend. It actually sickens me and should be put on the trade table.
Little things can add up to a larger problem
Still adds up to overall mental health no matter what the cause is. I see and hear the toll it can take
I still remember the tragedy of Rhett Baynes and lots of others in our community.
Can’t all be hard men like you


Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.

I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #107 –
Thank you for the sexism.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #108 –
Quote from: pinot – on
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Little things can add up to a larger problem
Still adds up to overall mental health no matter what the cause is. I see and hear the toll it can take
I still remember the tragedy of Rhett Baynes and lots of others in our community.
Can’t all be hard men like you


Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.

I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.

Tell me about your outlook on life and relationships without telling me about your outlook on life and relationships… 🤦🏼‍♂️

It’s not the way I would go if I was H, I’d rather put my dramas behind me for 2hrs and be amongst the boys but everyone’s different and sometimes your head can be too cluttered up and you do need the break.
The important thing is to keep lines of communication open with everyone who counts.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #109 –
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Moir barely touched the ball and Binns was average in their VFL game.  Evans was excellent in the VFL in terms of the defensive pressure he applied … and that’s his job.

You will probably laugh at me but I have a feeling Moir may be a modern day Brent Croswell. Literally bored to be out there unless he's on the big stage. He is obviously miles from Croswell in terms of achievements, but in the little we have seen I think does have that mercurial way, yet at the sametime lazy way about him. Not much room or appetite for these types nowadays.

I knew Brent back in the day.  My sister found him wandering around Sydney Road and brought him home.  We became quite friendly and kept in touch for several years.

Brent was driven to succeed and was extremely competitive at everything he did, including footy at any level.  There’s no way he would have settled for seven touches and zero tackles in a reserves game.

Moir is an outstanding talent.  He just needs some of Tiger’s competitive drive!

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #110 –
With Essendon winning last night, we have fallen to 15th on the ladder.

Lose tonight to the Dogs coupled with the fact that the Eagles & Dockers play each other (i.e. one of them has to win) and we will drop another rung down again.

If the Suns extract the digit and stitch up the Dees (unlikely as it is in Melbourne) then it could get even worse.

Shoud this all play out, heads will roll next Monday morning.

As for Mr. McKay, if he is not on the gear and it is the break-up from his girlfriend that is causing him the issues, then I am flabbergasted once again.

If it was me in that position (highly unlikely that I would be a total headcase after break-up) then I would certainly be using it as motivation to play out of my skin as well as taking out my anger with some robust attacks on the play and the opposition guys.

This concerns me for the future, what happens when the going gets tough in a must-win match, does Harry pack it in too ??

To think Melbourne were prepared to do a direct swap for Petracca makes me regret knocking it back now.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #111 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: 31Tommys_barber – on

Little things can add up to a larger problem
Still adds up to overall mental health no matter what the cause is. I see and hear the toll it can take
I still remember the tragedy of Rhett Baynes and lots of others in our community.
Can’t all be hard men like you


Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.

I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.

I’m standing with Harry … and with Geoff Southby, Kenny Hunter, Dyl Buckley, Jake Edwards, Dan Gorringe, Wayne Johnston, Liam Stocker and many other past and present Carlton players with mental health issues.

I’m also standing with women!
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #112 –
im told harrys girlfriend posted on instagram last night and was at harrys house sitting with his dog.

Only his inner circle would know the real reason he is not mentally well and hope he gets on top of it sooner rather then later not for the club or supporters but for him and his family.

Hearing essendon fans giving it to his brother early in yesterdays game its no wonder these young men struggle.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #113 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.

I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.

McKay has played the overwhelming majority of games since 2019. Copped it from all comers when he was experiencing goal kicking yips, took it upon himself to do extra work and make adjustments to his run up, ball drop etc., recommitted to the club on a long term deal, despite overtures from others, and now into his 10th season with 129 games under his belt, this is the first time I can recall that he has asked for time off. Does this sound like someone lacking mental toughness ?

As for the comments regarding women, I'll leave those alone.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #114 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
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Sure take a day off to have a sook but how committed is he to his team mates. It's his girlfriend not his wife... women nag, moan and always want to argue about anything just for the hell of it what is he going to do when he gets married? Take a day off because his wife nagged him for a day.

I dont think he is mentally tough enough and 28 years old end of year and lack of evidence of being 100% committed there will be no other time to cash in big time.

McKay has played the overwhelming majority of games since 2019. Copped it from all comers when he was experiencing goal kicking yips, took it upon himself to do extra work and make adjustments to his run up, ball drop etc., recommitted to the club on a long term deal, despite overtures from others, and now into his 10th season with 129 games under his belt, this is the first time I can recall that he has asked for time off. Does this sound like someone lacking mental toughness ?

As for the comments regarding women, I'll leave those alone.


Oh please I live with three matriarchs - some of you are so precious.

His team mates are going through hell at this moment - his reponse is "I don't care".

Look - these blokes need to be of the mentality what doesnt kill you makes you stronger in an elite high performance environment getting paid the big bux. He is mentally inept and I sure hope as hell we move him on.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #115 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Oh please I live with three matriarchs - some of you are so precious.

His team mates are going through hell at this moment - his reponse is "I don't care".

Look - these blokes need to be of the mentality what doesnt kill you makes you stronger in an elite high performance environment getting paid the big bux. He is mentally inept and I sure hope as hell we move him on.

I've made my point. This thread is drifting way off topic. I'll leave it there.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #116 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: PaulP – on


McKay has played the overwhelming majority of games since 2019. Copped it from all comers when he was experiencing goal kicking yips, took it upon himself to do extra work and make adjustments to his run up, ball drop etc., recommitted to the club on a long term deal, despite overtures from others, and now into his 10th season with 129 games under his belt, this is the first time I can recall that he has asked for time off. Does this sound like someone lacking mental toughness ?

As for the comments regarding women, I'll leave those alone.


Oh please I live with three matriarchs - some of you are so precious.

His team mates are going through hell at this moment - his reponse is "I don't care".

Look - these blokes need to be of the mentality what doesnt kill you makes you stronger in an elite high performance environment getting paid the big bux. He is mentally inept and I sure hope as hell we move him on.

Clearly nobody is going to get any sympathy from you on the matter, so how about we try it this way....

If Harry was to play and he is suffering with depression, it's highly likely he is struggling to eat and sleep and generally focus on anything for any length of time.
If he 'sucked it up' went out and played, what kind of result would you expect from a player with no sleep, energy and focus?
You would then have a go at him for being useless and a waste of space and that he should never have played.
How would that improve his mental for the next week and the next week....
Eventually he is a broken man devoid of a confidence, lacking in any trade value.

Or....

We let it go and hope he turns it around quickly.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #117 –
Someboy very close to me just took her own life because of a breakup. Best not to start assuming to much. There was no sign of health issues beforehand.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #118 –
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Someboy very close to me just took her own life because of a breakup. Best not to start assuming to much. There was no sign of health issues beforehand.

So very often there are no signs, it's a personal struggle that some folks keep too personal.

There are some very strong opinions on the issue of mental health.
We now have a thread devoted to mental health.
Could we move any further discussion into that one and leave this one for prematch comments.

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Reply #119 –
My sources tell me Harry's problem is related to performance anxiety, so I guess I'm happier with that than the other alternatives that have been bandied about. Hope H get's the help and support and ultimately returns but if he can't  then what the hell he can just do whatever makes him happy. Footy ain't that important. Hope maybe somehow his problems lift the team.
Have also heard Jack will be playing HBF tonight and Young will be going forward. God I hope that's not right.