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Reply #60 –
Quote from: Lods – on
You need to remember that there is always someone worse off than you.
St Kilda followers for example.
We are heading down that path, the Tassie Devils will probably win a premiership before we do.Its like waiting for Godot or in our case waiting for Graham...

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Reply #61 –
We'll always have the 1900s ;)

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Reply #62 –
I am fast approaching Prof E's position.  With so many years of promises producing, at best, mediocrity, and with no end in sight, I have lost my passion for the game.

I now record the match.  In the unlikely event we win I can sit back and enjoy watching it.  If we lose I rely upon comments in the post game thread to let me know what happened.

The one positive I get from doing things this way is that I can keep my blood pressure under control.

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Reply #63 –
Having gone through primary and most of secondary school being mercilessly picked on because I barracked for Carlton, this period of lack of success is disappointing but not debilitating.

It must be tough for supporters who were born in the 1960s and are were used to regular success.  I think that may be harder than for supporters born in or after the 1990s ...
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It must be tough for supporters who were born in the 1960s and are were used to regular success.  I think that may be harder than for supporters born in or after the 1990s ...

For me...
It used to be.
In that first couple of years after 2002 I just kept expecting it to turn around and we'd be back to 'normal' sustained success.
The fact that it didn''t was extremely disappointing.
We seemed to try numerous coaches, some with great records, we attracted good talent through the draft after the initial penalties, and traded in the 'best of the best'.
A few highlights, but nothing seemed to work.

Then came the rebuild, and although I wasn't on board, for many it presented a 'new hope' but it's been a long slog and I doubt any club will ever follow our 'blueprint' for rebuilding.

These days it's a rather strange feeling.
I believe we'll eventually find the right formula, but it may not be in my time.
After our injury ridden year last year I thought we'd be much better this year but it just hasn't panned out.
The thing is that while I still have hope for a turnaround, the best we can hope for is to just sneak into finals and it's doubtful we could match it with the best, especially if we had to travel.

And a more disturbing aspect is that with each poor performance the 'nuclear' option for shaking the place up becomes more attractive.
I'm not there yet... but for me tonight's game will have a big impact on how I feel about our immediate future.

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Reply #65 –
As far as Carlton is concerned, it's not success that will lead to stability. It's the other way round IMO.

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Reply #66 –
I just get the feeling that we have failed on most fronts to move into the modern era and to have fully adapted to the modern national competition and become winners. We may eventually, who can tell?
I wish I had the insights and diagnostic skills to figure out why. Until someone with those skills comes along we are likely doomed to keep thrashing around in an almost futile search to find solutions. Sorry to be so negative but after so many disappointing years that's how it looks.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #67 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
As far as Carlton is concerned, it's not success that will lead to stability. It's the other way round IMO.

You would think so.
But it has to be a stability built on a strong foundation.

Settled off field.
Balanced list.
Good recruiting and development
Good injury management.
Good coaching

Continuing with the wrong elements in place can be just as damaging as shaking the place up.

Whether we have that or not will play out in the next twelve months or so.
 

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Reply #68 –
Quote from: Lods – on
You would think so.
But it has to be a stability built on a strong foundation.

Settled off field.
Balanced list.
Good recruiting and development
Good injury management.
Good coaching

Continuing with the wrong elements in place can be just as damaging as shaking the place up.

Whether we have that or not will play out in the next twelve months or so.

To some extent I agree. But I think we have gone well beyond the old adage that we keep picking the wrong bloke, or in the case of players, the wrong blokes. I would argue that much like Marx's identification that Capitalism contains within its very nature that seeds of its own destruction, the same can be said for the constant influx of new coaches and players - the process contains within itself the seed of the problem, masquerading as a solution. And I should emphasize this is not just restricted to Carlton. The successful teams in the last 25 years are the stable ones. The ones with constant list and coach turnover are mired in the bottom half of the ladder. I know for some on here such propositions are both counterintuitive and ridiculous, but I cannot reconcile the data points and the history in any other way. Us and / or other clubs with a similar history should have hit pay dirt by now.

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Reply #69 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Lods – on
You would think so.
But it has to be a stability built on a strong foundation.

Settled off field.
Balanced list.
Good recruiting and development
Good injury management.
Good coaching

Continuing with the wrong elements in place can be just as damaging as shaking the place up.

Whether we have that or not will play out in the next twelve months or so.

To some extent I agree. But I think we have gone well beyond the old adage that we keep picking the wrong bloke, or in the case of players, the wrong blokes.

A lot of very slow learners around here.
"Sack the coach will fix all our problems" hasn't worked the last 6 times we've done it.....but THIS time....
 ::)

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Reply #70 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: PaulP – on


To some extent I agree. But I think we have gone well beyond the old adage that we keep picking the wrong bloke, or in the case of players, the wrong blokes.

A lot of very slow learners around here.
"Sack the coach will fix all our problems" hasn't worked the last 6 times we've done it.....but THIS time....
 ::)

Where did you see "Sack the Coach" ???

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Reply #71 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Having gone through primary and most of secondary school being mercilessly picked on because I barracked for Carlton, this period of lack of success is disappointing but not debilitating.

It must be tough for supporters who were born in the 1960s and are were used to regular success.  I think that may be harder than for supporters born in or after the 1990s ...

It's even tougher for supporters born in the late 1930s.  I missed the 1947 Grand Final because I was away on school holidays and then had to endure twenty one unsuccessful years before our 1968 premiership.  When that time is added to our lack of success this century and where the club stands today,  I do find it getting harder to maintain enthusiasm for the football club.

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Reply #72 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


A lot of very slow learners around here.
"Sack the coach will fix all our problems" hasn't worked the last 6 times we've done it.....but THIS time....
 ::)

Where did you see "Sack the Coach" ???

You don't have to look far to see a sack the [insert person/position here].

Not many people who haven't been giving their marching orders by someone.