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Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
They look like a group of strangers who have never played together.
Indeed. Where is the team work? Where is the plan?
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #46 –
Same thing can be said for the seniors - a club wide issue
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #47 –
Corey Durdin will probably get a promotion based on his tackle numbers.

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #49 –
Hudson O'Keefe looked okay with his ruck work in the second half.   In the seniors, we are very much relying on Tom DeKonning staying on the park. it might be a smart move to give Hudson some game time fairly soon..

ab

ps Yes we have Pittonet, but not the smartest footballer

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #50 –
Injured a lot too
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #51 –
Unfortunately had guests over unexpectedly so only got to see bits and pieces of the game. So annoying as I'd set myself up for the night ahead.
Anyway, let's preface the result on the fact that the sharks have been VFL poster boys for the AFL to spread the game in the north so the fact the umpires treated them like they were their own love child's was no surprise.
Also they have played in 2 of the last 3 VFL grands finals and they are a very polished unit,
Good that the 2's played out the 4 quarters. Maybe that could rub off on the seniors.

Matthew Carroll - from what I saw, seemed to be doing OK
Jordan Boyd - from what I saw, clearly using the corridor as often as he could, kicked well. Should get a call up
Harry Charleson - from what I saw, didn't impress
Harry O'Farrell - from what I saw, not sure yet
Billy Wilson - from what I saw, no
Jaxon Binns - from what I saw, sigh......, not fast enough and still can't kick
Ben Camporeale - from what I saw, didn't do a lot
Lucas Camporeale - from what I saw, did more than Ben, but, sigh....., kicking is a worry
Corey Durdin - from what I saw, did a lot of tackling, looked OK and I'd have him ahead of Motlop
Harry Lemmey - from what I saw, played ok. Was competitive
Rob Monahan - from what I saw, No
Francis Evans - from what I saw, Hell No
Harry McKay - from what I saw, agree, H looks real thin. Hope he enjoyed himself out there. His teammates looked to show real support.
Hudson O'Keefe - from what I saw, battled hard. May have a future
Elijah Hollands - from what I saw, if he's happy enough in his own head, I'd promote him

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #52 –
Our seniors would struggle to put away Southport. They are an experienced, powerful and well drilled team. Just the same the twos were very poor especially in the  first quarter.

Think H has been going to Jenny Craig.

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #53 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Injured a lot too
Injured always
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #54 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Unfortunately had guests over unexpectedly so only got to see bits and pieces of the game. So annoying as I'd set myself up for the night ahead.
Anyway, let's preface the result on the fact that the sharks have been VFL poster boys for the AFL to spread the game in the north so the fact the umpires treated them like they were their own love child's was no surprise.
Also they have played in 2 of the last 3 VFL grands finals and they are a very polished unit,
Good that the 2's played out the 4 quarters. Maybe that could rub off on the seniors.

Matthew Carroll - from what I saw, seemed to be doing OK
Jordan Boyd - from what I saw, clearly using the corridor as often as he could, kicked well. Should get a call up
Harry Charleson - from what I saw, didn't impress
Harry O'Farrell - from what I saw, not sure yet
Billy Wilson - from what I saw, no
Jaxon Binns - from what I saw, sigh......, not fast enough and still can't kick
Ben Camporeale - from what I saw, didn't do a lot
Lucas Camporeale - from what I saw, did more than Ben, but, sigh....., kicking is a worry
Corey Durdin - from what I saw, did a lot of tackling, looked OK and I'd have him ahead of Motlop
Harry Lemmey - from what I saw, played ok. Was competitive
Rob Monahan - from what I saw, No
Francis Evans - from what I saw, Hell No
Harry McKay - from what I saw, agree, H looks real thin. Hope he enjoyed himself out there. His teammates looked to show real support.
Hudson O'Keefe - from what I saw, battled hard. May have a future
Elijah Hollands - from what I saw, if he's happy enough in his own head, I'd promote him
Agree with all the above,  saw only bits and pieces my self. From what I saw, Hollands looked like he couldn't be stuffed. Perhaps he was running out of puff?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #55 –
I think both Camoreale boys have shown enough to suggest they'll be senior players sooner rather than later.
But they should probably spend a bit more time in the VFL working on a few things.
Both have a few issues at the moment with their disposal.

Is it a huge issue or is it just an adjustment one which sometimes comes with fitting into a new side with new team-mates.
Lucas had  a 90% disposal efficiency in his last U/18 season. It was 47% yesterday.
Kevin Sheehan's comment in one of the draft profiles regarding Ben was that "his kicking will get better in a full time environment"
So the jury is probably out.

What they do with Harry will be interesting. He looked thin, which has me thinking that whatever is troubling him has also had a physical effect. It took him a while to crack a smile when his team-mates got around him after that first goal. But he seemed to work into the game in that third quarter.
How he pulls up after the game and whether he found it a positive experience will probably tell a story...but we wont know that.

It's a toss-up. Do we give him another week or two at this level until he starts to dominate....or is the West Coast the ideal team to reintroduce him to the seniors.

I am a bit perplexed that the best kick in a club with some real disposal issues can't get a game in the seniors.
With Cowan, out hopefully Boyd comes in.
But I'd like to see him tried in position where his accuracy advantages our forward line.

Really saw some positive signs with Lemmey last night.
He's probably still a bit off getting a senior run but hopefully he gets a taste sometime this season.

Durdin did some excellent defensive work with a couple of run-down tackles and 13 in total.
He did what Durdin does best and that's probably good enough for a senior spot.
The issue may be the team balance with defensive small forwards in Durdin and Fogarty but little or no scoreboard impact.

Elijah may have done enough. At his best he would be a good addition. He was solid at that level but not outstanding.

One that did look good was Carroll and it wouldn't surprise if he doesn't get a senior opportunity very soon.
 

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #56 –
Only saw the second half, preferred to watch Death in Paradise, it has the same premise as watching Carlton but there is always a happy ending.
Southport is a fully developed second tier AFL team. Carlton is not. The VFL used to have a competition for the Reserves called the Commodore Cup, Jesaulenko would refer to it as the Comedy Cup. Carlton has never taken this level competition seriously. It is a development competition for them.
O'Farrell, B&L Camporeale, Carroll, Charleson and Monahan all first or second gamers and all showed bits. I was happy with

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #57 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Unfortunately had guests over unexpectedly so only got to see bits and pieces of the game. So annoying as I'd set myself up for the night ahead.
Anyway, let's preface the result on the fact that the sharks have been VFL poster boys for the AFL to spread the game in the north so the fact the umpires treated them like they were their own love child's was no surprise.
Also they have played in 2 of the last 3 VFL grands finals and they are a very polished unit,
Good that the 2's played out the 4 quarters. Maybe that could rub off on the seniors.

Matthew Carroll - from what I saw, seemed to be doing OK
Jordan Boyd - from what I saw, clearly using the corridor as often as he could, kicked well. Should get a call up
Harry Charleson - from what I saw, didn't impress
Harry O'Farrell - from what I saw, not sure yet
Billy Wilson - from what I saw, no
Jaxon Binns - from what I saw, sigh......, not fast enough and still can't kick
Ben Camporeale - from what I saw, didn't do a lot
Lucas Camporeale - from what I saw, did more than Ben, but, sigh....., kicking is a worry
Corey Durdin - from what I saw, did a lot of tackling, looked OK and I'd have him ahead of Motlop
Harry Lemmey - from what I saw, played ok. Was competitive
Rob Monahan - from what I saw, No
Francis Evans - from what I saw, Hell No
Harry McKay - from what I saw, agree, H looks real thin. Hope he enjoyed himself out there. His teammates looked to show real support.
Hudson O'Keefe - from what I saw, battled hard. May have a future
Elijah Hollands - from what I saw, if he's happy enough in his own head, I'd promote him

For a bloke who saw limited pieces of the game... pretty good analysis, Mr Balboa.

I'll disagree a little with you re the Camporeale boys... they got in and amongst it, disposal by foot needs plenty of work (like about 35 other blokes at PP), but I liked what I saw. Ben seems to have a bit of mongrel about him... we like that - channelled.

As you point out, Durds is a tackling machine - but that's it. I'd definitely have him replace Fog or Mots as he at least has speed over the grass and as a defensive small forward he'll get to more opponents quicker than Fog/Mots and that'll create more stoppages/keep the pill in our forward line. But he is not a creative small forward so expecting lotsa goals from him will be in vain. Will White and Orazio are probably our only two 'creative/opportunistic' small forwards. **sigh**

We could learn a lot from the Sharks about 'team'... they are a machine with everyone on the same page. We are, much like the seniors, very reliant on individual efforts... and for huge chunks of the past few years that's been us in a nutshell - relying on our top-end talent.

The umpiring was hilarious. I don't know how many Sharks players got away with throws and dropping the ball - does that still exist as a rule? And the scene where Boydy got a free and couldn't believe it and actually seemed to ask the ump 'how come? Me? Really?'
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #58 –
Durdin is a much better footballer than we are giving him credit for.  His only issue is that he's short.  Has wheels, generally uses it well, works up and down the ground and likes a goal.  We will be a better outfit with him in the team. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: VFL 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Southport at Ikon Park

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Lods – on

What they do with Harry will be interesting. He looked thin, which has me thinking that whatever is troubling him has also had a physical effect. It took him a while to crack a smile when his team-mates got around him after that first goal. But he seemed to work into the game in that third quarter.
How he pulls up after the game and whether he found it a positive experience will probably tell a story...but we wont know that.

It's a toss-up. Do we give him another week or two at this level until he starts to dominate....or is the West Coast the ideal team to reintroduce him to the seniors.


Also noticed that H seemed a little thinner. Now this is only speculation... perhaps if he had an illness as first offered up by the club - it knocked him about, maybe a gastro thing and that'll sure result in sudden weight loss.
Or... maybe... if it was an anxiety thing, this can really strip weight off you - fast. I speak from experience, when my PTSD flares up, panic/anxiety goes through the roof and the weight peels off. Not a pleasant way to lose weight. But my guess is that the fact he took the field means he's on top of, or getting on top of the ailment. I'd play him against the Weagles.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17