Carlton Supporters Club

I dont think after 30 years of bumbling, fumbling and failure both on and off the ground anyone is impatient, reality is in the real business world or a high profile sporting competition if you are unsuccessful for a even a short period of time then you are in trouble and having to explain yourself to shareholders, members and being held accountable.
We are not a professional club anymore and accountability just isnt part of our mantra, we accept failure with a shrug of the shoulders and just aimlessly look to blunder on week after week repeating the same mistakes with officials trotting out the same benal excuses.
We have become a weak, content, apathetic club used to failure and hanging onto any excuse trying to make our ourselves feel better and have lost touch with reality much like perennial losers like Stkilda who years ago we taunted because of their consistent failures or Richmond who couldnt make it further than ninth place.
Clubs dont even hate us anymore, its more pity, we have a better balance sheet(but still built with pokies) but thats about all we have to show for 30 years between premierships.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 04, 2025, 06:13:09 pm

I dont think after 30 years of bumbling, fumbling and failure both on and off the ground anyone is impatient, reality is in the real business world or a high profile sporting competition if you are unsuccessful for a even a short period of time then you are in trouble and having to explain yourself to shareholders, members and being held accountable.
We are not a professional club anymore and accountability just isnt part of our mantra, we accept failure with a shrug of the shoulders and just aimlessly look to blunder on week after week repeating the same mistakes with officials trotting out the same benal excuses.
We have become a weak, content, apathetic club used to failure and hanging onto any excuse trying to make our ourselves feel better and have lost touch with reality much like perennial losers like Stkilda who years ago we taunted because of their consistent failures or Richmond who couldnt make it further than ninth place.
Clubs dont even hate us anymore, its more pity, we have a better balance sheet(but still built with pokies) but thats about all we have to show for 30 years between premierships.

this perspective sows the seeds for more of the same though.

Stronger together needs to be more than a catch phrase.  Ive said it before and ill say it again.  We are the only club who thinks that erratic consistent change will simply sow seeds of division and instability.

Apparently according to some fans the way out of our malaise is sack the coach and rebuild.  If its not one or the other both...

Meat while the team we faced yesterday has the bones of players in it that were all running round under mick malthouse!!!

Quote from: kruddler – on April 04, 2025, 04:10:53 pm

Its something i said a while ago. One of the biggest problems at Carlton is its supporter base and its emotional, impatient demands.
The pressure we put on the club forces it to act and act without thinking everything through sometimes.....more often than not.

Impatient ??

Hells bells, excuse me for thinking that our 30-year premiership drought needs to be considered acceptable & tolerated.

Puting aside the newer clubs (Freo, GWS & GC), the only club with a longer space between flags than us is St.Kilda !!

We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.

We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.

We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.

We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.

They don't turn up to play, they don't have a go and they give up when it gets too hard. They don't hit their targets, they either don't know what the game plan, don't believe in it, or refuse to follow it. They don't run, they don't tackle, they don't chase, they don't block, and they don't try. They drop marks,  they   miss goals and their ball handling is poor. Their decision making is poor,  their footy IQ is poor and their game awareness is pathetic.
The Club's culture was broken by Elliott 25 to 30 years ago and nobody has been able to fix it. We have changed players,  changed coaches, changed presidents, changed CEO'S, changed boards, changed football managers, changed recruiters and probably changed the mascot, but it doesn't change anything. We have had Vossy,Vossy, Vossy, and Cookie, Cookie, Cookie, and Juddy, Malthouse, Pagen and other Messiahs, we have had resets, top ups, rebuilds, bottoming outs and high expectations. All to no avail. Everyone comes into the place and think that all we need is their special brand of sauce and everything with be fine but it never is. We have fixed up our books, fixed our facilities, fixed up the administration and fixed up the football department. All to no avail. So it has to be something else.
Winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. Sometimes you have got to win by not losing. Until the Club names its problem it is never going to change.

Quote from: JonDorotich – on April 04, 2025, 07:09:15 pm

We all feel the pain of failure

The good news is that we have enough players with currency that would allow us to trade our way into a completely different side - I know this is extreme, but what sort of side could we put together if we traded every player on our list with currency and recruited young/developing players in their place?

I know that wouldn’t be easy but would we improve? Would our list be more balanced?

Something to think about.

I hope we're not at that stage yet but....
I don't think it's completely without merit
Target players who are consistent in terms of output, work ethic and importantly durability.
They don't have to be flashy types, but are solid posession winners and reasonably skilled.

Build a champion team rather than a team of champions.
But you're right, it wouldn't be easy...it would be a big job and take a skilful recruiter ....and it could be painful in terms of the players we let go.

Quote from: LordLucifer – on April 04, 2025, 05:04:19 pm

Impatient ??

Hells bells, excuse me for thinking that our 30-year premiership drought needs to be considered acceptable & tolerated.

Puting aside the newer clubs (Freo, GWS & GC), the only club with a longer space between flags than us is St.Kilda !!

Thank you for providing me evidence of this.

Has anyone at the club been there for 30 years? No.
So that comment is irrelevent and emotional, devoid of logic.
The use of St. Kilda brings with it emotional connotations that are born from yesteryear and not relevent to today.
Patient is patient with the current regime.

What you are saying is akin to getting road rage because you had to stop at a red light for a minute, so every other red light you shouldn't need to wait at because you used all of your patience on the first one. They are not linked at all. There is no correlation. Each one needs its own patience.
You, and others, calling for peoples head, including the coach,  after 2 rounds is evidence of NOT being patient. Doesn't matter what happened 30 years ago. almost nobody on our team was even alive then, and certainly didn't have any bearing of what happened even 10 years ago.

Your impatience with Motlop (and insert any of 300 players over the past 30 years here) is highlighted on a weekly basis.

Of course we are a passionate club and of course one shoe does not fiit all in our 100k membership base, and bigger supporter base, but you can't argue that we do like to sack a coach and think of the consequences later and despite trying it numerous times, it doesn't work.
A few have argued about insanity and doing same thing over again, that was specific to team selection, but same can be said for supporter outbursts and calls for coaches heads.

Cats broke the cycle when they didn't pull the trigger on sacking Bomber Thompson.
Tigers broke the cycle when they didn't sack Hardwick.
Both of them had worse droughts than us and how did they break it, by not doing the same thing they always did - stopped sacking the coach.

Watching the Cats tonight these high half forwards in Miers and Close are what we need

Add Mannagh and Stengle

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