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If a bloke isn't going at 100% is he actually part of our best team?  What's has a more negative effect, chronic poor performance or poor attitude? I reckon they might be tied together.

If a bloke isn't going at 100% is he actually part of our best team?  What's has a more negative effect, chronic poor performance or poor attitude? I reckon they might be tied together.

The question of course is....
What if we drop the players who have been sub-par, replace them with kids and then...lose the game?

Would we say...Well at least we made a statement?

We can't afford to lose this game.
We can make one or two changes for chronic non-performers.
But apart from that, we have to play the best available side we can muster.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 07, 2025, 06:26:13 pm

Maybe there is nothing to bring in, how about changing some roles (within reason). E.g. The turnover stats for Gov are horrible, 17 (worst in the comp) and 7 have directly resulted in goals to the opposition (that's 42 points of our 58 point total losing margin).  Thats unsustainable. Im sure they are working with him to rectify this however if it continues, there must be a tipping point surely.

there is something going on there.  he has always been a bit flaky, but last year he was actually pretty good, with minimal brainfades.   this year, he is dropping uncontested marks and making really bad decisions.   

maybe there is something going on at the club that we dont know about - the H and Lij problems, a number of prime movers down (some beacuse of injuries etc) - just too many issues at the moment....

Quote from: Lods – on April 08, 2025, 07:03:45 pm

The question of course is....
What if we drop the players who have been sub-par, replace them with kids and then...lose the game?

Would we say...Well at least we made a statement?

We can't afford to lose this game.
We can make one or two changes for chronic non-performers.
But apart from that, we have to play the best available side we can muster.

So how do you set standards? Because alot of senior players are falling short.

We are not going anywhere may beat some bottom eight sides - prefer we set standards of minimal acceptable requirement than winning a game. Thats where we are because basic standards are not being met.

Quote from: pinot – on April 08, 2025, 08:45:07 pm

So how do you set standards? Because alot of senior players are falling short.

We are not going anywhere may beat some bottom eight sides - prefer we set standards of minimal acceptable requirement than winning a game. Thats where we are because basic standards are not being met.

Some supporters are demanding wholesale changes in the side.
You can't do that.
You can make one or two changes with those falling short....but not a number of them all at once.
People who are suggesting around 5 or 6 for the chop would be amongst the most critical if we lose the game.
The reality is that anyone who watched the VFL game last weekend would realise that the replacements, in a number of cases, are showing the same skill errors and lack of intensity as the players they're suggested to replace in the senior side...at a lower level.
So what happens when they fail to fire?

If we had half a dozen in the VFL giving it an absolute crack and performing, then maybe you consider it.
But we don't.
Durdin, Boyd, Carroll that's about it.
And while each of them may bring something to the side they're hardly game changers.
One will come in to replace Cowan...probably Boyd.
That leaves us with perhaps two spots.

Our best option for improved standards won't come from dropping players.
It will be those hard conversations from players like Silvagni and Weitering.

Our biggest issue in the last dozen games has been a lack of structure and stabilty in terms of the players we put out there each week.
Significant chopping and changing of the side is the one thing we shouldn't do.
If you're going to make these changes they have to be seen with one eye on the "best available at the time."
Make one change, maybe two to send a message...but if the player that's brought in fails to impact thats equally costly to the side.

I dont see Williams, Young, Cowan(inj) and Docherty as outs being an excessive number of changes, hard conversations would have been had after the round 1 debacle I would have thought and then the following weeks after....done no good so Id be forgetting the talking and taking action at the selection table.
Harry, E, Hollands, Boyd and Carroll as ins.....

i agree with lods regarding Harry and Elijah  because we played 1 week in reserves we go straight in (seniors ) no way time to get tough 3 wks in ressies and maybe. 

E Hollands  another slow player leave him in the reserves for weeks make him earn his spot ,his not that good.

Harry travelling over and likely to play according to Ch9.

That would mean at least two changes.  Carroll for Cowan already circulating in socials.