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Reply #15
Just grabbing the low hanging fruit with no insight or analysis at all.   Pretty much what First Crack is.

Cerra is not Josh Daicos.    Half back isn't he role.   Daicos is more of a winger, Cerra an inside mid.   It's not a good move

We would like to get Saad further up the ground?   Well dere.    He is our only real attacking option off half back so sides drag him deep.    Hawks have Weedle, Amon, Sicily, D'Ambrosio who can all attack.  To be fair all of backline can kick so you can add Scrimshaw and Battle.   We have tried McGovern and Hollands and both don't have the composure.

Z Williams I agree should go to half back.   He just doesn't offer enough as a small/medium forward.   Silvagni is one of very few that looks at home in the back half.   That looks to have worked, so I don't get the desire to move him.

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Reply #16
One of the problems we're facing is we are being judged in the moment.
And that's fair.
The question is..."Is what Carlton are producing at present the best they are capable of?"... and I reckon the answer to that is an emphatic "no"

McGovern,Saad, Curnow and Boyd are actually pretty gold field kicks. Cripps has a pretty decent handball.  And that's for starters. The problem is that they all seem a little off at the moment. No one seems at their best, except maybe De Koning.

 

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Reply #17
We dont have the leg speed and kicking skills the teams at the pointy end do, simple as that and it won't improve this year.
Defensively we are reasonably solid as me manage to hold teams to low scores.
The problem is we cant seem to score enough points to beat the opposition at the moment, this can change if:
- Charlie and Harry can get motoring
- We can improve delivery to them.
I think we can forget about small fwds performing for us, we dont have the cattle in this dept.
The players have been consistent in their messaging in various interview that they feel they are better than what they showing at the moment. They have 20 odd weeks to show us.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #18
If you read that article carefully it's a mess of rudderless dribble. If they spent more than 5 minutes putting that together, they were clearly interrupted.

I have no issue with changes, but if anyone can come up with King and Montagna's preferred / suggested 22 after reading that, they deserve a medal. 
https://youtu.be/w_StteLzedo

Vision and numbers presented are pretty damning. Watch De Koning let a runner waltz straight passed him without even looking like attempting to tackle.
I think some of the changes suggested are worth trying if nothing else as a circuit breaker. They are tweaks really.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #19
LOL that is the worst experts comment ive ever seen.  Get everyone out of there and bring in a bunch of players that wont see any impact....

Haynes, Young, Cowan, Docherty, Mcgovern, Saad, Jack Silvagni, Cerra to a half back line, Walsh to a half back line...

This is the most hair brained scatter gun approach to team management I have ever heard of. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #20
Zac Williams is a big NO for me in defence, and Friday night showed why.  Hard no.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #21
https://youtu.be/w_StteLzedo
Vision and numbers presented are pretty damning. Watch De Koning let a runner waltz straight passed him without even looking like attempting to tackle.
I think some of the changes suggested are worth trying if nothing else as a circuit breaker. They are tweaks really.

Fair enough, but I've given my thoughts on the Fox/ Murdoch house style many times before, so no need to repeat them here. You can frame, cherry pick and edit a set of clips to present many perspectives. I'm certainly not suggesting everything is hunky dory, but they don't present a balanced view IMO.

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Reply #22
So I guess then if we can beat Weagles this week by a goal or two then all the naysayers will be right, and those who think we need a few tweaks will be not so right.   This week should tell us a lot about what expect for the rest of the season.

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Reply #23
We dont have the leg speed and kicking skills the teams at the pointy end do, simple as that and it won't improve this year.
Defensively we are reasonably solid as me manage to hold teams to low scores.
The problem is we cant seem to score enough points to beat the opposition at the moment, this can change if:
- Charlie and Harry can get motoring
- We can improve delivery to them.
I think we can forget about small fwds performing for us, we dont have the cattle in this dept.
The players have been consistent in their messaging in various interview that they feel they are better than what they showing at the moment. They have 20 odd weeks to show us.

We have more basic problems and thats players short stepping , pulling out of contests and tackling like schoolboys.
Other coaches wouldn't tolerate such poor commitment but our standards are so much lower...

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Reply #24
So I guess then if we can beat Weagles this week by a goal or two then all the naysayers will be right, and those who think we need a few tweaks will be not so right.   This week should tell us a lot about what expect for the rest of the season.

I don't think its quite as black and white as that.
If we play the same this week against the eagles that we have played in the first 4 weeks.....we probably win anyway.

The last 3 weeks have been against finals bound opposition.

We should win. Even if we don't. It doesn't really change anything.

There isn't a whole lot we can do in-season to drastically alter our trajectory this year. Our list is basically set (with 1 mid-season player change at this stage) so we just have to suck it up, hope to get less injuries and plan from there.

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Reply #25

We have more basic problems and thats players short stepping , pulling out of contests and tackling like schoolboys.
Other coaches wouldn't tolerate such poor commitment but our standards are so much lower...
All of what you say is true, the approach from the coaches to managing the results has not been how things would have been dealt with in the past that's for sure. The problem is there are no ready to go (like for like or otherwise) replacements breaking the door down. We saw Moir come in and do very little. Really, other than Hollands and Mackay when they are ready and perhaps Boyd and OKeefe (if we were desperate), there is nothing else.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #26
https://youtu.be/w_StteLzedo
Vision and numbers presented are pretty damning. Watch De Koning let a runner waltz straight passed him without even looking like attempting to tackle.
I think some of the changes suggested are worth trying if nothing else as a circuit breaker. They are tweaks really.

Fair enough, but I've given my thoughts on the Fox/ Murdoch house style many times before, so no need to repeat them here. You can frame, cherry pick and edit a set of clips to present many perspectives. I'm certainly not suggesting everything is hunky dory, but they don't present a balanced view IMO.

The persons employer means nothing to me.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership


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Reply #28

In my case, once you see something, it's very difficult to unsee it.

What I am having trouble unseeing is the way we play.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership