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Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I am putting this win into perspective, there was virtually zero pressure for 4 qtrs, it came down to the team which made fewer errors and kicked straighter. WC were horrid in both departments, some of our goal kicking left a lot to be desired.
We beat a team that won't win many less games than we will (on current projections).
Agree, tackling stats were half that of a usual game and zero defense was required. I did like how we bullied them at stoppages even without TDK having much presence and Hewett and Walsh led the way. Motlop is better with a run on the ball and imo should get that opportunity every week and I thought Jack and Weitering did what they had to do down back with Matt Carroll showing some enterprise.
Different story next week with Nth who are not that good but like playing us and our best troops are going to be occupied which means players like Carroll will have to play some defense as well as attack and it's going to be a test especially if we can't dominate in the middle.
Take the 4 points and lick our wounds with Kemp gone for the year more than likely and Harry suffering concussion which is not we he needed.
Mid season draft beckons and hopefully we pick up something else than more small forwards and wingers.
Id pick Elijah this week too and tell him he owes us a good game...

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I am putting this win into perspective, there was virtually zero pressure for 4 qtrs, it came down to the team which made fewer errors and kicked straighter. WC were horrid in both departments, some of our goal kicking left a lot to be desired.
We beat a team that won't win many less games than we will (on current projections).

Yep. This game gave us the opportunity to 'practice' our offensive game, and the blokes lapped up the freedom to attack. Probably the last game this year we'll have that kind of opportunity. The Kangabies will be a very different prospect... there will be pressure.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #47 –
Here's another positive, at the moment we have the best % of any side outside the 8. Hey, you take whatever you can get with our season thus far.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Here's another positive, at the moment we have the best % of any side outside the 8. Hey, you take whatever you can get with our season thus far.
If only we had beaten Richmond and the Dogs like we should have.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #49 –
There was little pressure yesterday, and the defenders were chipping it around to players in the clear, but the disposal efficiency figures were interesting and at odds with some of the disposal criticism of recent weeks

Our top four for disposal efficiency were

McGovern 95.7%
Weitering 93.3%
Silvagni 93.3%
Haynes 90.5%

Next best was Saad at 84%
Probably says a bit about the opposition's forward pressure.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There was little pressure yesterday, and the defenders were chipping it around to players in the clear, but the disposal efficiency figures were interesting and at odds with some of the disposal criticism of recent weeks

Our top four for disposal efficiency were

McGovern 95.7%
Weitering 93.3%
Silvagni 93.3%
Haynes 90.5%

Next best was Saad at 84%
Probably says a bit about the opposition's forward pressure.

You take away the oppositions pressure from any team in the AFL and you'll get figures like that from defenders... anyone, really.

Our Achilles Heal this year has been when opposition sides have brought sustained pressure. The Weagles played like it was a preseason game... not wanting to get injuries!

Let's see what happens to those figures in our next few games.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #51 –
If Kempy teared his achilles then its three-four months - July-August
If he snappedhis achilles  it's nine months. - wont be in full training until end of January.

Fingers crossed for him.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There was little pressure yesterday, and the defenders were chipping it around to players in the clear, but the disposal efficiency figures were interesting and at odds with some of the disposal criticism of recent weeks.
Our disposal issues aren't coming from the D50, it's pretty much everybody forward of CHB that is the problem.

Yesterday, despite the lack of pressure, was not different, go and watch the replay to see players burning opportunities entering F50.

I think McGovern has been OK, down but not as bad as some suggest. Fans focus on 1 or 2 errors, often boosted by dud commentators, and ignore all the rest of the good stuff. Yesterday McGovern was elite with his ball use, probably our best ball user as both he and Weitering have that capability to take on and hit targets from 50m+.

btw., It's not McGovern or Weitering's fault when our F50 deliver a piss-weak contest making the defenders disposal look rubbish!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #53 –
Only saw about 1 1/2 qrtrs but still think most of our issues are with F50 entry and inside F50 even against weaker opponents.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #54 –
Just finished watching.
This game had absolutely zero pressure on it. Like playing u18s!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #55 –
Watched the replay.  The first and final quarters were pretty open and not how Carlton plays their best footy. I thought the second and third quarters were pretty solid. Still missing targets but the intent was better. They need to be willing to keep at it against good sides when things aren't going well. I think we get open up at the back because the last player in the line is getting drawn to the play too early. Bryce Gibbs was excellent at holding his position whereas too many players get sucked into the contest when they see the ball. Good to see Durdin get on the ball while Motlop seems to be better up in the middle of the ground.
When we hit shorter targets instead of bombing the ball into a congested forward 50 it actually opens up the forward line for the key forwards.  Cripps actually looked like a key forward in the last quarter.
Got to win next week and then two of the next three.
There has been talk about our tackle numbers but there are tackles and there are tackles. Against Collingwood our players were tackling with their arms without much body behind them whereas the McGovern tackle was excellent and is how you are supposed to tackle.
McGovern had a better game but needs to do it against good opposition. I am still not convinced about him Docherty or Haynes going forward.
They keep saying that there is no need to panic as we have been in similar situations in the past and have shown we can get out of them, but the point is that we shouldn't be getting into these situations in the first place.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #56 –
Agree with others about the lack of pressure. Somewhat like a PS hitout, including the high temperature.

It didn't particularly test our 2nd half issues. Whatever they are. Neither our pattern of folding under pressure. Next week will give a better read.

Hopefully, we gain maximum bang for our confidence issues. A couple of players are finally finding some form and Durdin and the newbies went ok.

What remains a major issue IMO is goalkicking and poor decision-making near goal. Stop with the cute stuff and take the shot already. We also have work to do on communication. Getting tackled unawares by a no pressure side is very poor.

In all, not a great spectacle. We did enough and managed the conditions ok. I'm still unconvinced that we're going anywhere this year. Certainly hope I'm wrong as our window is closing and we're falling behind several teams development wise.

Enjoy the moment and build momentum quick smart and the tide can change. Go Blues.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.
 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #57 –
The bump/knock in Harry, will that be looked at? Head high and elected to go the man while Harry was going towards the ball

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #58 –
High bump on H: My guess. It'll be looked at.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #59 –
Quote from: deepbluesee – on
The bump/knock in Harry, will that be looked at? Head high and elected to go the man while Harry was going towards the ball

A player who elects to bump and causes a head clash gets a holiday.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!