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If an election were to be held on the 3rd May (likely) which party would recieve your vote.

Labor
[ 12 ] (52.2%)
LNP
[ 7 ] (30.4%)
Greens
[ 0 ] (0%)
Teal Independent
[ 1 ] (4.3%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
Trumpet of Patriots
[ 0 ] (0%)
Local Independent
[ 3 ] (13%)
None of the Above
[ 0 ] (0%)

Total Members Voted: 23

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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #30 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Qualities of a real leader: Excellent communication skills, Vision, Courage, Empathy, Honesty/Integrity, Self-reflection/Awareness, Ability to Include and Inspire, Intellectual and Emotional Intelligence, Humility and Accountability (there are more!).

I've had the very good fortune over the duration to have met and worked with a number of people who demonstrated those leadership qualities and values. But none of them were politicians.
the ones most capable of leading would never want to.

There was a time when they did. In fact, some of society's most outstanding folks chose a career in politics to serve, to bring about positive change, who cared so deeply about humanity they saw it as an honour to (really) serve.

But, as you point out 3 Leos, who'd want to muddy themselves in the hopeless political mire of opportunism, divisiveness, populism, dishonesty and self-aggrandizement that exists today.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #31 –
If you have been spam bombed by Clive Palmer’s political arm, aka Strumpet of Partiarchy, H Fong is Harry Fong, a criminal lawyer (read that any way you choose).  The QLD Bar Association records his mobile number as 0419 788 168 and his landline is (07) 2123 3068.

Feel free to let young Harry know what you think of his political affiliation and spam SMSs.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #32 –
Anyone watched tonight's debate?

Thought Dutton went bang and knocked Albanese for 6.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #33 –
Somehow the people in the room thought differently. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #34 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Anyone watched tonight's debate?

Thought Dutton went bang and knocked Albanese for 6.
I watched it, I thought it was was 50/50.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #35 –
The price of eggs reminded me of the GST on a baked cake that haunted John Hewson and will splash all over the newspapers etc ...not great from Dutton as well as the Nuclear energy path also seems a turn off for voters.
It's not that Albanese is offering anything new tonight or being impressive more about Dutton probably alienating  some voters and I gave the win to Albanese by default.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #36 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
The price of eggs reminded me of the GST on a baked cake that haunted John Hewson and will splash all over the newspapers etc ...not great from Dutton as well as the Nuclear energy path also seems a turn off for voters.
It's not that Albanese is offering anything new tonight or being impressive more about Dutton probably alienating  some voters and I gave the win to Albanese by default.
Unless you do any shopping, how would you know the price of anything? Then there are numpties like me who do some of the shopping and still couldn't tell you the prices of stuff.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
The price of eggs reminded me of the GST on a baked cake that haunted John Hewson and will splash all over the newspapers etc ...not great from Dutton as well as the Nuclear energy path also seems a turn off for voters.
It's not that Albanese is offering anything new tonight or being impressive more about Dutton probably alienating  some voters and I gave the win to Albanese by default.
Unless you do any shopping, how would you know the price of anything? Then there are numpties like me who do some of the shopping and still couldn't tell you the prices of stuff.
Eggs are a staple like bread and milk so I think a lot of working class folk know the prices and will find that disturbing and Dutton out of touch. It will be highlighted in the media like Hewsons cake fiasco when he couldnt explain his GST and it cost him the election imo.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #38 –
I haven't heard or seen (I haven't looked either) anything about vision for Australia. LNP has get Aus back on track - but to what and where - when was Aus last on track - just pick up and continue from there? What do the parties want Aus to look like?

Tax cuts/rebates (incl excise)? Instead of minimal bribes, why don't you tackle genuine tax reform? Too hard, too much vested interest?

Instead of energy rebates - tackle the issue of high prices.  Why do the regulators not step in and reduce increases? (Same with private health).

Vic tried to introduce cents per km charge for EVs, but didn't have jurisdiction. How is the fuel excise lost from EVs going to be replaced? Yet, there are gov incentives to buy EVs.

Can either party explain their immigration policy? Yes, we need students (if not Uni funding needs to jncrease), need backpackers for fruitpicking etc, need professionals to cover skill shortages etc. How does this fit with their vision for Aust?

LNP - if you are serious about nuclear energy, tell us and answer questions - how much will it cost, how will it be funded, will it be private or public, where are the skills to make the plants going to come from, what % of power will this provide, how does it fit with closure of coal stations?

What are the water policies? How do they both preserve the environment, assist farmers and supply people? It feels in Melb that days of rain is much reduced, but when it rains there is a lot.

There's more, but my rant is too long. Lack of vision is disturbing.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #39 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Unless you do any shopping, how would you know the price of anything? Then there are numpties like me who do some of the shopping and still couldn't tell you the prices of stuff.
Eggs are a staple like bread and milk so I think a lot of working class folk know the prices and will find that disturbing and Dutton out of touch. It will be highlighted in the media like Hewsons cake fiasco when he couldnt explain his GST and it cost him the election imo.
I get the GST fiasco, I get that egg etc are a staple but I couldn't tell you the price of a dozen eggs, a litre of milk or a loaf of bread and I do the shopping often. Guess I cant be PM.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #40 –
Prices of staples is a stupid, lazy question and is not related to reality for politicians. Doesn't mean they're out of touch.  When it is policy related, that is different.

When they tell me that I will save $1500 a year on fuel excise, I am suspicious: 2 cars. One takes ~45 litres, the other 55. Fill them every 3rd week or so.  100 litres @ $0.25 = $25 saving both tanks. Times 17 weeks = $425. Or: if petrol prices are $1.80 for 91, do they only go down to $1.70, because private companies don't pass on the 25c? And as many enquiries have found out,  there are few controls gov has on petrol prices.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #41 –
Yep
That price of staples is a nonsense question.
I do all our shopping and I couldn't tell you within  a couple of dollars the prices of some of those things. There are variations of brands and the prices can fluctuate quite a bit

Go to Aldi and you can probably get any of those things a dollar or two cheaper
I'm pretty certain the people asking the question have no idea....they will look up a random price the day they ask the question.

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Reply #42 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Yep
That price of staples is a nonsense question.
I do all our shopping and I couldn't tell you within  a couple of dollars the prices of some of those things. There are variations of brands and the prices can fluctuate quite a bit

Go to Aldi and you can probably get any of those things a dollar or two cheaper
I'm pretty certain the people asking the question have no idea....they will look up a random price the day they ask the question.
I was going to say that if people base their decision on a candidate knowing the price of eggs or not, we are in more strife than I thought.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #43 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm pretty certain the people asking the question have no idea....they will look up a random price the day they ask the question.
They ask the question because they don't know the answer, the question exposes the ignorance of the person asking it!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #44 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Prices of staples is a stupid, lazy question and is not related to reality for politicians. Doesn't mean they're out of touch.  When it is policy related, that is different.

When they tell me that I will save $1500 a year on fuel excise, I am suspicious: 2 cars. One takes ~45 litres, the other 55. Fill them every 3rd week or so.  100 litres @ $0.25 = $25 saving both tanks. Times 17 weeks = $425. Or: if petrol prices are $1.80 for 91, do they only go down to $1.70, because private companies don't pass on the 25c? And as many enquiries have found out,  there are few controls gov has on petrol prices.


Dodge this is something that got missed, but the price of fuel directly impacts thr supply chain of getting stock on shelves at the supermarkets. 

Fuel down by 25 cents a litre will make a massive difference to every Australian, and will arguably do more to reduce the cost of living than a lot of measures. When you consider this think of all the diesel machines in use.  Roads, diggers, delivery mechanisms.  The energy component of this is being glossed over way too much and not enough credence being given to why things have become a expensive as they are.

Your personal fuel consumption sounds at the lighter end of usage.  The size of your tanks are for small cars by the sounds of things hence why you don't save as much but do the same maths on two cars with 60 litre tanks and filling up once a fortnight instead because they travel more.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson