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If an election were to be held on the 3rd May (likely) which party would recieve your vote.

Labor
[ 12 ] (52.2%)
LNP
[ 7 ] (30.4%)
Greens
[ 0 ] (0%)
Teal Independent
[ 1 ] (4.3%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
Trumpet of Patriots
[ 0 ] (0%)
Local Independent
[ 3 ] (13%)
None of the Above
[ 0 ] (0%)

Total Members Voted: 23

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Reply #60 –
Murray Watt, the so-called Labor attack dog, bears a strong resemblance to the Sontaran warriors from Dr Who

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #61 –
I'm just passing on what I've read on socials. There are a couple of stories that have already made the news. The rest are just ordinary people describing their experiences at various electorates around the country. The stories are either true or they're not. That's for others to decide.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #62 –
We voted today and had to run the gauntlet of party workers handing out “how to vote” leaflets.  They were all quite respectful and backed off when I announced that I had been voting for 50 years and didn’t need instructions on how to vote … that even got a few laughs.

I find the hardest part is deciding who to put last on the Senate ballot paper; several parties/individuals deserve that honour. The best solution was to stop numbering boxes when I got to 40 but that’s not as satisfying as when there’s a standout drop kick.

Interestingly, I know two of our local candidates quite well and they’re both good people. 

I don’t think that I’ll go back to voting on election day but I do miss the democracy sausages 😢

As for party folk trying to stand over voters, that’s always been an occasional issue.  I remember a mate’s father getting into a punch on when a couple of DLP goons went too far in their efforts to get him to vote for their bloke.  However, in my experience everyone is respectful and good humoured, as they should be.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
^^ Seems to be a tactic to make the Liberals look bad.

They left in tears... 

Words are violence these days I suppose.

What has happened to the world we live in?

Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?

That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #64 –
 Yep
Take everything you read on social media regarding antics at polling booths with a grain of salt. Some of it will be true. Some exaggerated and some completely false. There will be shenanigans all over the shop. Folks will get involved who have no formal party affiliations ..just a bee in the bonnet. If the police get involved and catch perpetrators it will be reported by news organisations and have some validity...but social media...forget it.
Social media at election time is a good tool to make the other side look bad... there are no controls or restrictions on what people can post....and every party's followers can use it as they please.

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Reply #65 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Baggers – on


Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?

That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.

Do you really think that volunteers complaining about an over-zealous party volunteer is going to sway public opinion?

Political parties, even the flakey minor parties, are a little more sophisticated than that.

The fact that volunteers from both the ALP and a Teal independent complained and the alleged offender departed before the police arrived suggests that there’s more than a kernel of truth to the story.

Sometimes the media - and this was mainstream rather than social - get the basics right and there’s no need to come up with alternative theories 🙂
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #66 –
The stories certainly have legs : the issue is how many legs and whether they are isolated spot fires or symptomatic of a greater radicalization of Australian politics. Neither Dutton, nor Palmer, nor others of their ilk have made any attempt to conceal their mimicking of Trumpism.

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Reply #67 –
Without getting into individual policy likes and dislikes because that's a personal thing for all of us...and there are pros and cons on both sides...but many come with consequences...

I consider myself pretty much a centrist. I've voted for both major parties on numerous occasions over the journey. Five days out and I'm a bit torn on this one. I'm in a fairly safe Liberal seat so my vote will have little impact. I don't feel that the Liberals have convinced me that they've done enough to win government. But the Labor party don't really inspire me either. Voting independent, or others, isn't really an option either. It's a wasted vote useful only as a protest vote.
At the moment the one thing that may swing me is that the only candidate that has taken the time to doorknock our area is the incumbent Liberal, who spent a good ten minutes with me talking more about local issues and the agenda he would push to get benefits for the electorate. Not a lot of time but more than any others. I still haven't 100% committed and though it's unlikely the LNP will get up, and his impact may be limited, I might give him my 'encouragement and participation'
award.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #68 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Without getting into individual policy likes and dislikes because that's a personal thing for all of us...and there are pros and cons on both sides...but many come with consequences...

I consider myself pretty much a centrist. I've voted for both major parties on numerous occasions over the journey. Five days out and I'm a bit torn on this one. I'm in a fairly safe Liberal seat so my vote will have little impact. I don't feel that the Liberals have convinced me that they've done enough to win government. But the Labor party don't really inspire me either. Voting independent, or others, isn't really an option either. It's a wasted vote useful only as a protest vote.
At the moment the one thing that may swing me is that the only candidate that has taken the time to doorknock our area is the incumbent Liberal, who spent a good ten minutes with me talking more about local issues and the agenda he would push to get benefits for the electorate. Not a lot of time but more than any others. I still haven't 100% committed and though it's unlikely the LNP will get up, and his impact may be limited, I might give him my 'encouragement and participation'
award.
Im the opposite to you Lods in that Im in a safe Labour seat but my vote will also  count for nothing. No one has ever door knocked us and Ive been here since 1992. I wish someone took the time to come talk to us.
The LNP are no chance of getting up so we are in for 3-4 more years of pain under the Labour Party unfortunately.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #69 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on


That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.

Do you really think that volunteers complaining about an over-zealous party volunteer is going to sway public opinion?

Political parties, even the flakey minor parties, are a little more sophisticated than that.

The fact that volunteers from both the ALP and a Teal independent complained and the alleged offender departed before the police arrived suggests that there’s more than a kernel of truth to the story.

Sometimes the media - and this was mainstream rather than social - get the basics right and there’s no need to come up with alternative theories 🙂

Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #70 –
Voting shenanigans have always existed, but as everything, seems to be getting more exaggerated.  Particularly with so many early votes - fewer polling stations and more idle volunteers.

I take a HTV from everyone, don't engage and vote however I decide and ignore the HTV.

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Reply #71 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.

I'm confused!

You have quoted two reports of incidents at pre-polling booths.  The incident involving Julian Leeser was reported to the always impartial AEC who notified the police as required under their legislation. 

Here's another article covering three incidents, two at pre-polling booths and one at a campaign rally:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/assault-intimidation-charges-after-separate-incidents-at-pre-polling-centres/6zvl8958k

In the first incident we have a MAGA supporter (WTF!) interfering with election advertising and being assaulted by a teenager who seems to have been a supporter of the PM.  The teenager was charged and locked up.  Then there's a person behaving aggressively towards Liberal volunteers who was also charged by police.  Finally, a supporter of Independent Monique Ryan threw a punch at right wing protestors who were disrupting Ryan's campaign meeting.

That's pretty well the whole gamut of the political spectrum.  It's reported on mainstream media, not social media.  The police are involved in two incidents and the offenders have been charged.  The reporting is balanced, factual, and certainly not emotive. The incidents are substantiated and there will be consequences ... and they won't make an iota of difference to the election outcomes in the electorates concerned or the overall result.

Strange as it may seem, not everything is a conspiracy, people of all persuasions can behave badly, police don't get involved without good reason, the media can provide accurate, impartial reports, and voting intentions are not swayed by bullying or reports of bullying.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #72 –
Problems only become evident when media choose a side like News Ltd.

The bulk of the "professional reporting" is balanced, but not necessarily apolitical, bloggers should not be confused with reporters.

Social media is largely unaccountable for it's behaviour, and RedTrump along with his acolytes are a danger to global democracy.

What happened to 60 Minutes in the USA, and what The White House did to Bezos today, is a global tragedy, and it does impact our elections. Reporting facts should not get you persecuted by government.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

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Reply #73 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.

I'm confused!

You have quoted two reports of incidents at pre-polling booths.  The incident involving Julian Leeser was reported to the always impartial AEC who notified the police as required under their legislation. 

Here's another article covering three incidents, two at pre-polling booths and one at a campaign rally:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/assault-intimidation-charges-after-separate-incidents-at-pre-polling-centres/6zvl8958k

In the first incident we have a MAGA supporter (WTF!) interfering with election advertising and being assaulted by a teenager who seems to have been a supporter of the PM.  The teenager was charged and locked up.  Then there's a person behaving aggressively towards Liberal volunteers who was also charged by police.  Finally, a supporter of Independent Monique Ryan threw a punch at right wing protestors who were disrupting Ryan's campaign meeting.

That's pretty well the whole gamut of the political spectrum.  It's reported on mainstream media, not social media.  The police are involved in two incidents and the offenders have been charged.  The reporting is balanced, factual, and certainly not emotive. The incidents are substantiated and there will be consequences ... and they won't make an iota of difference to the election outcomes in the electorates concerned or the overall result.

Strange as it may seem, not everything is a conspiracy, people of all persuasions can behave badly, police don't get involved without good reason, the media can provide accurate, impartial reports, and voting intentions are not swayed by bullying or reports of bullying.
the reports I'm quoting use alleged and encouraged by AEC to call the police and quoting of one side of the story.

Not by reputable journalists, but online news "writers".  Effectively the police were called and the alleged perpetrator was gone and no charges pressed and then apparently people in tears.  What happened though? Bullying is the article.  Call the police if you feel threatened is standard IMHO. 

The seven article and the post article that I and Paul have provided are the same incident at the same polling booth in the same electorate.  Not sure about your confusion but this is where it all misses the mark as the articles I've referenced are refereed to in your sbs article. 

Whatever other maga stuff you've read ive not heard of until you posted it, but watching the news last night there was mud slinging at Monique Ryan and ties to international interference in the election on her behalf by China.

Now I'm not sure why that is, that we get conflicting reports of events about her in particular but applying my theory, the TV news reported her china links whilst here you have SBS going into bat for her.

Reading your article my spider sense is straight to finding the problems with the article.

A 17 year old vandalising coreflute assaulting an old man. Guess what likely happened there.  A knocked over sign and a confrontation and an unstable teen lashing out sounds about right.  Teenager isn't voting age. So a vandal at a polling booth.  Coreflute is likely those a frame signs they put out.  Would vandalising include knocking it over?

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Two people have been charged over incidents at pre-polling booths, including a teenager who seriously injured an elderly man during a tense stand-off in the prime minister's electorate.

The 17-year-old was due to face a children's court on Thursday after allegedly punching the 79-year-old at Ashfield, in Sydney's inner-west, on Wednesday afternoon.

The teenager allegedly punched a 79-year-old man in the face outside a pre-polling centre in the suburb, which falls within Anthony Albanese's electorate of Grayndler.


Is a pre polling centre the same as a early voting center? When did this event occur?  It says Wednesday and due to go to children's court on Thursday...  you get charged and to children's court in 24 hours?  Meh its Wednesday today.  Guess when this happened and it wasn't in the time line insinuated, and I'd argue that it likely isn't politically motivated but here we are today on wednesday discussing it.


This is how propaganda is born. 

It's all plausible enough till you start thinking it through.  The teenager might be up for charges seperate to this incident where he was vandalising and the punch to the 79 year old may have occurred at the same premises before early voting started (or it could have been last week) but the polls only really opened for early voting on the 22nd of April.

Why are we getting the reports now?


Your confusion stems from information overload.  Emotive articles about Julian's electorate with no real information but condemnation of behaviour.  Thats what propaganda does.  It obfuscates and makes you unsure of what happened so you have to drop it all and read the content and skip the alleged details.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #74 –
OK Thry, I give up!

There wasn’t a 79 year old in a MAGA cap kicking over ALP signs.  He wasn’t punched out by a 17 year old.  The 17 year old isn’t in custody and he won’t be appearing in the Children’s Court tomorrow.  The whole incident was made up by the media for nefarious purposes and, as a result, people are going to change their votes.  The other incidents reported didn’t happen either 🙄

FYI, you vote early at a pre-polling station and children are processed through the Children’s Court without delay.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!