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If an election were to be held on the 3rd May (likely) which party would recieve your vote.

Labor
[ 12 ] (50%)
LNP
[ 7 ] (29.2%)
Greens
[ 0 ] (0%)
Teal Independent
[ 1 ] (4.2%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
Trumpet of Patriots
[ 1 ] (4.2%)
Local Independent
[ 3 ] (12.5%)
None of the Above
[ 0 ] (0%)

Total Members Voted: 24

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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #105 –
The swing against the Greens and Teals in Victoria in particular is interesting.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #106 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
The swing against the Greens and Teals in Victoria in particular is interesting.
I think Voters especially in Victoria   were more interested in economic policy than anything else and the Greens and Teals offer nothing in that area to middle Australia.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #107 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
The swing against the Greens and Teals in Victoria in particular is interesting.

Yep. It seems that there was indeed a swing away from extremes (far Left, far Right), at the election. Just plucking a figure out of thin air here, but it would seem that about 80-90% of voters are rusted on Labor, LNP and a few minority parties ...Hanson and handful of very active in their local communities, Independents.

But the LNP seems to have certainly lost their way. The Labor party seems to be somewhat Centre Left, they've taken the 'moderate' ground from the LNP. How many LNP leaders have now lost their own seat... wow, if you don't take notice of that, you're doomed to repeat it, and they did.

My imaginary 10-20% of swinging voters are just not buying what the LNP and Greens, in particular, are selling. Personally, I can see what the Greens are selling but I've no idea what the LNP values are, what they actually stand for.
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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #108 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
My imaginary 10-20% of swinging voters are just not buying what the LNP and Greens, in particular, are selling. Personally, I can see what the Greens are selling but I've no idea what the LNP values are, what they actually stand for.

I don't think they know either.
One thing is sure and certain they cant swing more to the right.
They have to develop policies that appeal to that middle ground yet are different enough from Labor that they offer a genuine choice.
That won't be an easy task, especially given the lacklustre candidates for leadership positions.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #109 –
They are the same crap in a different suit IMHO.

Interesting the distribution of voters here sort of mimick the outcomes.  23 people only.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #110 –
I voted against the politics of hate and division… and not trusting Dutton to deliver nuclear on time and budget.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #111 –
Law and order, culture wars, wokeness and nuclear power didn’t provide any traction for the conservatives.

The Greens were smashed mainly because of their opposition to the housing package.  The holier than thou attitudes of their spokespersons didn’t help.

The Teals did OK.  I think there will be one more independent this time.

The far right parties went close to matching Legalise Cannabis in their lack of appeal to voters 🙂

While the Senate count has a way to go, it’s apparent that Labor only has to negotiate with the Libs or the Greens to get legislation through.  The Independents, One Nation, PUP and Jacqui Lambie (if she gets back) will be irrelevant.  That will make it much easier for Labor to pursue its legislative agenda … and more difficult to blame the opposition for lack of progress.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #112 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
The swing against the Greens and Teals in Victoria in particular is interesting.
I think Voters especially in Victoria   were more interested in economic policy than anything else and the Greens and Teals offer nothing in that area to middle Australia.
Well I hope they aren't expecting sound economic policy from Labour.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #113 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Well I hope they aren't expecting sound economic policy from Labor.

According to my reading over the last hour so, the data seems to suggest mixed results, and where a trend does exist, it suggests that Labor are better economic managers.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #114 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Well I hope they aren't expecting sound economic policy from Labor.

According to my reading over the last hour so, the data seems to suggest mixed results, and where a trend does exist, it suggests that Labor are better economic managers.

Yes Paul, the idea that Labor governments are poor at managing the economy is a Coalition election slogan that isn’t supported by the facts.

There are many external, uncontrollable factors that affect our economy and governments of both persuasions are limited in their ability to achieve the economic outcomes that the ordinary punter is after.  With that qualification, Labor has generally done better and Jim Chalmers is a far more effective and proactive treasurer than Josh Frydenburg was.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #115 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

I think Voters especially in Victoria   were more interested in economic policy than anything else and the Greens and Teals offer nothing in that area to middle Australia.
Well I hope they aren't expecting sound economic policy from Labour.
Albo promised more freebies and played popularist economic politics better than Dutton..

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #116 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Well I hope they aren't expecting sound economic policy from Labor.

According to my reading over the last hour so, the data seems to suggest mixed results, and where a trend does exist, it suggests that Labor are better economic managers.

Victoria is virtually bankrupt thanks to Labour.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #118 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: PaulP – on


According to my reading over the last hour so, the data seems to suggest mixed results, and where a trend does exist, it suggests that Labor are better economic managers.

Victoria is virtually bankrupt thanks to Labour.

Virtually bankrupt isn’t the same as actually bankrupt … and don’t forget that it was the Morrison Government that encouraged Victoria to embark on its capital works program.  That program will have long lasting benefits for Victorians for many years to come and it’s an indictment on previous governments that have lacked the foresight and will to build for the future. 

“Virtually bankrupt” is a stretch too and Victoria’s finances are in a much better state than the opposition and the Murdoch press would have you believe. 

The Australian Institute, under the headline, “Sorry media, neither Victoria’s budget nor its economy is in bad shape” makes the following points:

“The media like to point to Victoria’s debt and deficit but they do so by including government fixed capital investment in the deficit. This might seem to the layperson as perfectly reasonable, but it is not how accounting works in the private sector and it presents a distorted picture of the state of the budget.

Including capital investment in a similar manner would, for example, see BHP’s 2024 profit drop from its declared US$20.7 billion to a marginal US$0.2 billion. Many other profitable companies would be in deficit were their budgets measured in the same way that now has the media suggesting the Victorian state finances are in deep trouble.”

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #119 –
It's impossible to know which party/government is more responsible.

Scomo may very well have sown the seeds that allowed labour to bring us back to surplus.  

Likewise, the country thrived under Howard's government, but how much of his progress was to do with hawke and Keating?

Kennet has been one of the best premier's our state has had, but did backs do a bad job? 

Rudd and Gillard made a few blues but they were ok.

Ultimately I reckon they both are capable enough.

They all are capable of stupid stuff like east west link and paying a lit of money for nothing.

Value for money is where i think Labor stuff up the most.   I dont know if the Liberals do too much better with the public purse, but they do tend to gear towards efficient use of money. 

This is where the wasteful component of government spending gets missed.  I think too much of either is ultimately where things go bad, and I think I'd prefer the state swing liberal with a Labor federal government. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson