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If an election were to be held on the 3rd May (likely) which party would recieve your vote.

Labor
[ 12 ] (50%)
LNP
[ 7 ] (29.2%)
Greens
[ 0 ] (0%)
Teal Independent
[ 1 ] (4.2%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
Trumpet of Patriots
[ 1 ] (4.2%)
Local Independent
[ 3 ] (12.5%)
None of the Above
[ 0 ] (0%)

Total Members Voted: 24

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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #136 –
It is disappointing that Wannon MP Dan Tehan has ruled himself out of the Liberal leadership contest.  Apart from the fact that he is a Victorian, Tehan is a genuine, hard working, thoughtful person who isn't involved in the culture wars and is always respectful of others while vigorously pursuing genuine liberal ideals.

The Taylor-Price team seems likely to prevail and I don't think that's good news for anyone.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #137 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It is disappointing that Wannon MP Dan Tehan has ruled himself out of the Liberal leadership contest.  Apart from the fact that he is a Victorian, Tehan is a genuine, hard working, thoughtful person who isn't involved in the culture wars and is always respectful of others while vigorously pursuing genuine liberal ideals.

The Taylor-Price team seems likely to prevail and I don't think that's good news for anyone.
I do fear this takes that party in the wrong direction, it seems to be pushing to further divide rather than unite, and it feels to me like Price is possibly introduced as a stooge to placate a segment of disaffected voters.

It will be interesting to see if this "partnership" survives.

If I recall correctly Taylor made his private fortune controlling water rights, in and supplying to regions in drought, I wonder what the people inland of Hume think of him?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #138 –
I'm not sure it really matters who they pick now.
Whoever it is, gets the poisoned chalice.
The party has so much work to do that any 'clever' aspirant would probably be smart to bide their time and let others take up the challenge.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #139 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It is disappointing that Wannon MP Dan Tehan has ruled himself out of the Liberal leadership contest.  Apart from the fact that he is a Victorian, Tehan is a genuine, hard working, thoughtful person who isn't involved in the culture wars and is always respectful of others while vigorously pursuing genuine liberal ideals.

The Taylor-Price team seems likely to prevail and I don't think that's good news for anyone.
What's wrong with Jacinta Price DJ? I don't know a heck of a lot about her but I thought she was excellent during the referendum.
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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #140 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
What's wrong with Jacinta Price DJ? I don't know a heck of a lot about her but I thought she was excellent during the referendum.

A lot G2C!

Defecting from the Nationals after they funded her election campaign is a pretty good indicator of her self-serving ambition and lack of character.

Matt Canavan has delivered a scathing assessment:

"I don't know how you can go to the people one week and say: 'I'm going to represent this party in the nation's Parliament' and then the very next week, turn around (and say): 'So I actually, I've changed my mind, I'm gonna go to a different side'. It's like changing teams on the football field after the whistle has blown.

It's not the sort of behaviour I think Australians appreciate."

Then there’s the MAGA hat, “Make Australia Great Gain, blaming the media for the election outcome, and heaps more.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #141 –
The defection is obviously to further her leadership ambition but is it a significant 'betrayal'

The Territory is a little different in that the Nationals and Liberals work under one party, the Country Liberal Party (CLP).

CLP members normally sit with the Nationals.

What it does highlight is some growing tension between the Libs and Nats.

And I think the move might back-fire on her.
She might not find some of the Libs with their own ambitions quite so welcoming.

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #142 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It is disappointing that Wannon MP Dan Tehan has ruled himself out of the Liberal leadership contest.  Apart from the fact that he is a Victorian, Tehan is a genuine, hard working, thoughtful person who isn't involved in the culture wars and is always respectful of others while vigorously pursuing genuine liberal ideals.

The Taylor-Price team seems likely to prevail and I don't think that's good news for anyone.
I dont mind Tehan either, probably the best of a bad lot, Taylor might have an economics degree but he cant explain or justify any monetary policy the Liberals put forward and was a boat anchor around Duttons neck who helped him lose the election and his seat. Albo can get ready for a third term if Taylor is leader....

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #143 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: DJC – on
It is disappointing that Wannon MP Dan Tehan has ruled himself out of the Liberal leadership contest.  Apart from the fact that he is a Victorian, Tehan is a genuine, hard working, thoughtful person who isn't involved in the culture wars and is always respectful of others while vigorously pursuing genuine liberal ideals.

The Taylor-Price team seems likely to prevail and I don't think that's good news for anyone.
What's wrong with Jacinta Price DJ? I don't know a heck of a lot about her but I thought she was excellent during the referendum.

My issue with her is that she is constantly fighting, family, political opponents (from any party…) she doesn’t build consensus with anyone.
I expect politicians to work with and unite people, she divides.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #144 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
What's wrong with Jacinta Price DJ? I don't know a heck of a lot about her but I thought she was excellent during the referendum.

My issue with her is that she is constantly fighting, family, political opponents (from any party…) she doesn’t build consensus with anyone.
I expect politicians to work with and unite people, she divides.

And that’s essentially what cost the Coalition the election.  Folk aren’t interested in the politics of hate and division.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #145 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: northernblue – on


My issue with her is that she is constantly fighting, family, political opponents (from any party…) she doesn’t build consensus with anyone.
I expect politicians to work with and unite people, she divides.

And that’s essentially what cost the Coalition the election. Folk aren’t interested in the politics of hate and division.
During the referendum, isn't that exactly what Price was saying? That the Yes vote would further divide? Not trying to be a smart ass here, just trying to understand the negativity towards her because something about her apeals to me (as I said I dont know much other than what I saw last year). If the LNP want to contend again, they need to come up with a strategy that is a little smarter than poking crap at the opposition. Have a plan, focus on what youre going to do and be different at, be consistent in your messaging and have a leader that is young and with some charisma. Not overly cocky or aggressive, one who demonstrates genuine empathy, who cares for you, me and the country as a whole.
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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #146 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
What's wrong with Jacinta Price DJ? I don't know a heck of a lot about her but I thought she was excellent during the referendum.

My issue with her is that she is constantly fighting, family, political opponents (from any party…) she doesn’t build consensus with anyone.
I expect politicians to work with and unite people, she divides.

I've watched a few interviews with Jacinta and what has consistently come to mind is... angry. Like an articulate Pauline Hanson.

To Jacinta the only reason the LNP lost the election was because of all the lies the other side came out with. And that's the problem with such a high degree of chronic anger, self-reflection and objectivity become impossible: not qualities you want in a leader.
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Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #147 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: DJC – on


And that’s essentially what cost the Coalition the election. Folk aren’t interested in the politics of hate and division.
During the referendum, isn't that exactly what Price was saying? That the Yes vote would further divide? Not trying to be a smart ass here, just trying to understand the negativity towards her because something about her apeals to me (as I said I dont know much other than what I saw last year). If the LNP want to contend again, they need to come up with a strategy that is a little smarter than poking crap at the opposition. Have a plan, focus on what youre going to do and be different at, be consistent in your messaging and have a leader that is young and with some charisma. Not overly cocky or aggressive, one who demonstrates genuine empathy, who cares for you, me and the country as a whole.

I think what we see with all these debates is that people's perceptions of a message very much depends on the side of politics they support.

Price's message during the referendum was pretty much that it would be divisive. That the end result would be another point of difference between indigenous and non indigenous.
And that rather than points of difference, as a society we should be looking to reduce that difference and concentrate on the major health and social issues to reduce any gap.

Supporters of the voice would see Price's message as divisive because they saw the voice as a desired method to improve the lot of indigenous people and her message opposed that, and had the effect of causing divison amongst indigenous people.
That her message, rather than empowering indigenous people, maintained the status quo of governing bodies deciding what is best for them.

Bottom line, Price is a politician.
She appears to be an ambitious one
What she says is designed to attract support from those of similar political bent.
As such she will have her detractors on the left and supporters on the right.
 

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #148 –
Agree somewhat lods, but the thing is, she isn't the one who is divisive in her opinion.  Treating folk different is what causes division. An indigenous voice to parliament is one that seeks to create a separation between indigenous and non indigenous and like all of these things they bring benefits and derision.  I remember seeing a form for abstudy vs austudy when applying at uni.  Being intelligible for both due to household income, I didn't worry about it overly but it struck a chord.  Why is it different?  Why are they labelling it different?  Is one more or less beneficial?

Historically division between races is what cemented bigotry.  So it's only natural that an arm of indigenous people would simply view it as not being invited to the table unless you're hand picked and groomed for the role.

Realistically inclusion means equality and equality means eroding the differences, not equity of privilege amongst the elite.  Its like men vs women.  They don't want to eliminate the boys club, they want a girls club, and pretend all women would be in it, when the reality is we are talking about 3%ers.

The evey day human isn't represented by any of the aforementioned and thats precisely what an indigenous voice to parliament would do.  Create a 3%er in indigenous communities.

First nations people paint a picture that they were one nation living in peace but I suspect there was plenty of fighting and division in their communities.  Its human nature to fight over resources.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)

Reply #149 –
Quote from: Baggers – on

I've watched a few interviews with Jacinta and what has consistently come to mind is... angry. Like an articulate Pauline Hanson.

To Jacinta the only reason the LNP lost the election was because of all the lies the other side came out with. And that's the problem with such a high degree of chronic anger, self-reflection and objectivity become impossible: not qualities you want in a leader.
See I dont see the angry bit, Thorpe is the very definition of angry.
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