Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #90 – May 01, 2025, 11:28:47 am Quote from: DJC – on May 01, 2025, 10:36:09 amAn interesting observation from the bench cam footage.Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter. Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence. While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now. I think he has been in the bench for some time now, Voss has been alternating btw Coaches box and bench. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #91 – May 01, 2025, 12:36:05 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 01, 2025, 11:28:47 amI think he has been in the bench for some time now, Voss has been alternating btw Coaches box and bench.Yes, but I had Greaves down as more of a tactician than the bloke who passes on directions from Vossy.I wonder if Newey has a direct line to Sammy Hamill ... Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #92 – May 01, 2025, 02:41:14 pm Quote from: DJC – on May 01, 2025, 10:36:09 amAn interesting observation from the bench cam footage.Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter. Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence. While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.Another side of that same story.There was on the ground footage of weitering and charlie chatting on the ground (may have been after the siren?) As best as i can tell from the footage, it looked like Weitering was telling charlie to get out of there and push up the ground. Charlie was giving him a shrug of the shoulders look as in "but i'm just trying to help".I noted that at the time, without any of the above, which basically confirms what i picked up from the gesticulating on TV. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #93 – May 01, 2025, 03:04:23 pm Quote from: kruddler – on May 01, 2025, 02:41:14 pmQuote from: DJC – on May 01, 2025, 10:36:09 amAn interesting observation from the bench cam footage.Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter. Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence. While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.Another side of that same story.There was on the ground footage of weitering and charlie chatting on the ground (may have been after the siren?) As best as i can tell from the footage, it looked like Weitering was telling charlie to get out of there and push up the ground. Charlie was giving him a shrug of the shoulders look as in "but i'm just trying to help".I noted that at the time, without any of the above, which basically confirms what i picked up from the gesticulating on TV.Was behind the goals on level 2 city end of the ground.Weitering late in the second was jumping up and down waiving his hands in the air to bring Charlie back into defense for the remaining few mins.Besides that, happy with what they are doing to change things up. I think a few mins of swinging Charlie back is warranted at times, if nothing else to keep the opposition guessing. Do they hold the line?Do they push a number forward (the second they do, we can tell Charlie to run off, creating a situation where they might have been happier having a loose man behind the ball).Its good stuff, and im neither here nor there. A goal resets everything due to the 6.6.6 rules. Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #94 – May 01, 2025, 03:26:13 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on May 01, 2025, 03:04:23 pmWas behind the goals on level 2 city end of the ground.Weitering late in the second was jumping up and down waiving his hands in the air to bring Charlie back into defense for the remaining few mins.Besides that, happy with what they are doing to change things up. I think a few mins of swinging Charlie back is warranted at times, if nothing else to keep the opposition guessing. Do they hold the line?Do they push a number forward (the second they do, we can tell Charlie to run off, creating a situation where they might have been happier having a loose man behind the ball).Its good stuff, and im neither here nor there. A goal resets everything due to the 6.6.6 rules.As I understand it, Charlie is free to help out in defence whenever he likes. Even if he's not taking intercept marks, his presence in the defensive 50 will make the opposition unsure of their delivery inside 50; do they kick it to Cameron if Charlie has the sit on him?While "Charlie to the backline" is a spontaneous move, the seven defenders all in the backline together must be a practised scenario. As you say, one of them has to make up one of the other sixes if there's a goal, and that has to be planned, not random. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #95 – May 01, 2025, 07:31:31 pm At the 20 minute mark of the last quarter both Weiters and McGov were waving their arms and yelling out to Charlie to come back, even the crowd around me, level one Carltonians Bay joined in calling out for Charlie, he duly came back. So Charlie doesn't decide, he's called back by Weiters, we were there we saw it Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #96 – May 01, 2025, 07:43:43 pm Quote from: hanwell – on May 01, 2025, 07:31:31 pmAt the 20 minute mark of the last quarter both Weiters and McGov were waving their arms and yelling out to Charlie to come back, even the crowd around me, level one Carltonians Bay joined in calling out for Charlie, he duly came back. So Charlie doesn't decide, he's called back by Weiters, we were there we saw it Charlie may get a call to go into defence but Vossy has stated that Charlie can and does decide if and when he should go into defence.The coaches didn’t want Charlie in defence in the last quarter and sent him back to the forward line. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #97 – May 01, 2025, 07:52:27 pm Yeah but my point is that the defence desperately wanted him down there, this was after George's goal, Charlie came straight back so I don't think you can 100% say who's decision it was other than Charlie answering the call. Was really interesting. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #98 – May 01, 2025, 10:17:03 pm What you mean we aren't going to come out and say that it's a set play that we bring Charlie back and he just works his way through it?We aren't going to telegraph our tactics. Quote Selected
Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong Reply #99 – May 01, 2025, 11:37:37 pm Weitering's a 'general' back there.We saw that when he was miked up for a game a year or two back.He was telling players like Doc and Walsh where to go.Voss has stated that Charlie can choose when to go back.But if Weitering sees a need at a certain time he probably has a right to give "Charlie's choice" the call.If the coaches disagree they can always send him back to where he came from. Quote Selected