Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: shawny – on May 06, 2025, 08:14:43 pm

Where we differ is when you make comments inferring we lost a game because of one or 2 players missing or not enough crowd support.

Those are excuses not reasons and to me make it sound like there is a simple fix to get us winning again where imo there is no quick fix to our issues as no team gets through a season without losing soldiers and to use the injury line everytime we lose is a cop
out and not facing reality

The reason we have dropped away is we stood idle while those around us didnt . Thats falls squarely on the LM.

I pointed out that when we are fit. We have won.

I highlighted we had less rest and less motivation to win compared to the opposition.

I'm not justifying it, i'm just pointing it out.
At the same time, suggesting that with a bit of luck, we don't need to torch the place down like many seem to want to do.

I've been basically saying 'prevention is better than the cure' in regards to list management but here we are now, dealing with the consequencing.

Quote from: kruddler – on May 06, 2025, 08:26:29 pm

I pointed out that when we are fit. We have won.

I highlighted we had less rest and less motivation to win compared to the opposition.

I'm not justifying it, i'm just pointing it out.
At the same time, suggesting that with a bit of luck, we don't need to torch the place down like many seem to want to do.

I've been basically saying 'prevention is better than the cure' in regards to list management but here we are now, dealing with the consequencing.

Understand. My worry is our top end talent should now have the players around them in the last few years to go deep into finals and the fact we are still talking about so many missing pieces is very concerning.

We now have to get into the club critical players in positions needed and we don't have the luxury of time anymore - we need it now or the best years of our top tiers will have past and then your really hoping for a miracle year to snag a flag.

The clock is ticking and ticking fast for the this list. Every lost year now is drawing closer to a failed rebuild where a few changes wont do it and its back to square 1. 

If not confident it can be done with what ive seen over the last 10 years but hanging on to being proven wrong.  

Spot on, I think its common knowledge our top end group of players all have to play well for us to win and the rank and file types are really just making up the numbers and and dont contribute enough week to week.
We havent been able to recruit well enough to get those Mihocek, Crisp, Cameron type players that say Collingwood do for nothing, who can fill gaps on your list and be influential in games.
The clock is on this group of players and I really dont want to see us go back to a ground zero rebuild again and we need recruiters who can get us a few cheap readymades who can work with what we have.
Nic Newman was one of those bargain types but we need a few more in different areas of the ground to give that quality support to our elite players, its just unrealistic to expect our elite to be all be playing well every week and to remain injury free.