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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Agree but at the same time it was frustrating also. It was an excellent coaching performance by Voss and co last night, used Ross's ugly style to our advantage and going tall and backing Young in was 100% the right thing to do.

I thought it was a finals-like game style, without the finals-like atmosphere. I have no issue with any game style that helps us win games. Ross Lyon is hard to stomach on a personal level, but I have no issue with his style, and I have no issue with him dong what he needs to win games. His record speaks for itself. I was thinking last night, given that our one wood is tough inside contest, I would be fine with us playing a more congested, Lyon style game, as long as it helps us win.
 

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
In our past 3 games we've seen 3 different Bluebaggers. 2 of them, very good.

There seems to have been a shift in our game day coaching, more flexibility. Also the MC, dropping Doc again and going into this game tall was necessary and creative.

I don't get the Charles criticisms. Yes, he's laconic but with opposition sides double and triple teaming him at every chance says they regard him highly, good enough for moi.

Also don't get the criticism of our smalls/small forwards. Their pressure, all night, was terrific, with Binnsy and Will W taking opportunities to hit the scoreboard on a night where goals were gold.

Bravo Cooper L. Final qtr, less than a kick in it, took his opportunity with terrific determination and composure... that's the mental toughness I bang on about. Not overawed, focussed. Ditto, H.

Binnsy and Lij were so, so important in that win. Elite work rate.

JSOS is rapidly elevating himself to one of the much better key defenders in the game. With aggott in hand you just know he'll deliver it well to the best option. Haynes value is now cemented.

And this Young bloke we've all been critical of is gaining confidence... and dare I say, importance!



And dare I add Baggers that Motlop did some nice things last night. He got to the contest more and some of his disposals were excellent. We need to continue polishing up our skills and composure but all in all we scrapped it out for a good win. Hopefully the injury toll won’t be too bad.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #47 –
Two different games. A more free flowing game for the first 1.75 qtrs, where we had scored 54 pts. then a slog after the injuries. Not alot of skills would happens with any side in that slog, bar that bloody goalkicking that  made it hard for ourselves, but it was smart and did the job.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #48 –
Beating StKilda just seems to be the natural thing!
Nothing exciting but job done.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #49 –
Anybody that can hold off Wilkie with his left hand, reel it in with other, then drill it from 55 off two steps .... Yea, a fractured PS and chronic knee problems may have hurt his mobility but he's still in my side.

As for the other bloke, taking massive clutch marks and kicking clutch goals.... Nothing soft about that bloke either

Pity we can't deliver it to them and make life easier for them, or have the smalls at their feet to capitalise on their efforts.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #50 –
One game in a row where they came out and had a go and didn't give up when faced by adversity. The question is will this become the Carlton they could be and should be or will they go back to wallowing in mediocrity as they have for the past 25 years. As I have said previously, you can rely on Carlton, they will let you down every time. Good win but can we trust them.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Baggers – on

I don't get the Charles criticisms. Yes, he's laconic but with opposition sides double and triple teaming him at every chance says they regard him highly, good enough for moi.

Dont get fully sucked in by the bright lights and highlights reel that Charlie, he often sags off his opponent and the contest  and allows the defender to mark unopposed. Watch last nights carefully, I reckon he prefers to wait and see if the ball hits the ground and that's fine some times, but more often than not, as a tall fwd if your not going to mark it, you need to impact the contest and halve it to give the smalls a chance. With Charlie, the majority of the time he either contests the mark or its bust. Thats how I see it, to me it's not laconic, he either isn't as agile/mobile as he once was or doesnt want to get hurt by extending himself getting to it. Call it criticism, I'm not trying to rubbish the bloke because he is a superstar. Jeremy Cameron workrate like he aint, the people who I sit with at the footy all say the same so it not just me.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #52 –
Somewhat agree, but the bloke has had some serious issues and might need to rebuild confidence in his knee.  Better players than Charlie have had similar set backs and taken more time to get back to their old selves and they weren't put out there damaged in the process.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #53 –
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And dare I add Baggers that Motlop did some nice things last night. He got to the contest more and some of his disposals were excellent. We need to continue polishing up our skills and composure but all in all we scrapped it out for a good win. Hopefully the injury toll won’t be too bad.


Nuh……
Jesse has been in the system long enough now. Unless he is gifted the ball by teammates he offers very little in the way of creating and making something of half chances. He over runs or fumbles the ball so often. He may provide pressure at times - but he doesn’t have that small forward magic to hit the scoreboard enough with limited chances. I think we have others whose role is to be more defensive in the offensive bubble.
Will White seems to have shown as much as Jesse already in a handful of games.
Jesse needs to show the magic. He’s no longer a beginner.
I agree that he has disposal ability but he has to get the possessions…..and he is not doing that enough.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #54 –
Can't agree.  I am not a motlop fan.  Last night there was a few times when there was less than 8 points in it where he was working to create an option and lock it in on a wing.  He isn't doing Cyril rioli things but that's the best of the best.  He did get his hands on it and get us moving the right way.  It just wasn't sexy to watch so people forget it, but it happens southern stand wing 4th quarter when the game was in the balance.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #55 –
Clogging up the game suited us. With the injuries, we weren't trying to play the manic game style that tires us out.

While there was a lot of pressure on us towards the end, there was heaps on the Saints and they didn't handle it as well.  That team effort needs to be present consistently.

If only Motlop was a one touch player...Binns did well.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #56 –
Quote from: dodge – on

If only Motlop was a one touch player...

This aspect of his game drives me up the wall, for a bloke so close to the ground, his hands are terrible. He gets to the right spots and reads the play as well as anyone but his fumbles let him down.
Binns was ok last night, the opposition suited him.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #57 –
Six possessions ain't enough impact.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #58 –
Glad we won BUT still see same problems and against a good side we lose last night  things like saints kick in coast to coast (most teams do this with ease against us ) once again long kick to wings to a contest every week and we all know against good sides this game style FAILS

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #59 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Clogging up the game suited us. With the injuries, we weren't trying to play the manic game style that tires us out.

While there was a lot of pressure on us towards the end, there was heaps on the Saints and they didn't handle it as well.  That team effort needs to be present consistently.

If only Motlop was a one touch player...Binns did well.

Agree, we got lucky Ross was coaching and made the 3rd quarter some of the worse football you could watch, no team could score easily and we were able to cover our injuries and conserve some energy with such a messy congested game.
Motlop has become ultra fumbly and nervous which I cant work out, I thought his time in the midfield did him a lot of good and he was making good decisions and looked a competent footballer but he has regressed and is costing us scoring opportunities.
Motlop would be my sub next game....Binns was good apart from some astray kicks but Id be persisting with him, both Binns and Lord will never be Chiefs but are handy Indians and suited to the MCG's open spaces.