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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #60
Clogging up the game suited us. With the injuries, we weren't trying to play the manic game style that tires us out.

While there was a lot of pressure on us towards the end, there was heaps on the Saints and they didn't handle it as well.  That team effort needs to be present consistently.

If only Motlop was a one touch player...Binns did well.

Agree, we got lucky Ross was coaching and made the 3rd quarter some of the worse football you could watch, no team could score easily and we were able to cover our injuries and conserve some energy with such a messy congested game.
Motlop has become ultra fumbly and nervous which I cant work out, I thought his time in the midfield did him a lot of good and he was making good decisions and looked a competent footballer but he has regressed and is costing us scoring opportunities.
Motlop would be my sub next game....Binns was good apart from some astray kicks but Id be persisting with him, both Binns and Lord will never be Chiefs but are handy Indians and suited to the MCG's open spaces.
Listening to Vossy last night, I gleaned that Lord is the type of kid who just goes and does whatever job is asked of him (in the Cincotta mold) and is extremely appreciative of any opportunity he gets. You cant teach or coach that. Binns and Lord both have good footy IQ and are extremely fit so you cant fault them there,
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #61
We had plenty of injuries.
We had barely any 4 quarter players.
Nothing to get overly excited about in terms of form.

BUT.....we still got 4 points.

Take that.


Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #62
I was pleased to see a few kids and footsoldiers contribute, because Voss really only has about 25 or so players to select a senior side from.  Seriously, looking at the list, at least a third aren't viable senior players.  That's a lot of dead wood.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #63
I like how Jack Silvagni has become a more vocal leader since moving to defence.  Like Weitering, I suspect that he has high expectations of his teammates and doesn't hesitate to give a little curry when required.  He has filled the defensive leadership gap created by Newey's absence quite nicely and I imagine that Weiters appreciates his presence.  Ten intercepts and three 1%ers is a pretty good effort for a bloke playing with a broken mitt.  He just needs his old man to give him some lessons how to claim that he touched the ball on the goal line  :)

Haynes has continued his recent good form and played well even after the accidental kick in the neck.  His disposal coming out of defence was almost faultless, as was Weitering's.  Haynes had nine intercepts and ten 1%ers.  When two of your tall defenders are dining out on the opposition's inside 50s, and the other two aren't far behind, it makes it very hard for the opposition to score.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #64

If only Motlop was a one touch player...

This aspect of his game drives me up the wall, for a bloke so close to the ground, his hands are terrible. He gets to the right spots and reads the play as well as anyone but his fumbles let him down.
Binns was ok last night, the opposition suited him.

Yep
'Almost' Motlop
He does get into some very good positions, covers a lot of ground and gets to contests, but rarely does he take the ball first go.
If he could just master that he could be a real asset.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #65
In our past 3 games we've seen 3 different Bluebaggers. 2 of them, very good.

There seems to have been a shift in our game day coaching, more flexibility. Also the MC, dropping Doc again and going into this game tall was necessary and creative.

I don't get the Charles criticisms. Yes, he's laconic but with opposition sides double and triple teaming him at every chance says they regard him highly, good enough for moi.

Also don't get the criticism of our smalls/small forwards. Their pressure, all night, was terrific, with Binnsy and Will W taking opportunities to hit the scoreboard on a night where goals were gold.

Bravo Cooper L. Final qtr, less than a kick in it, took his opportunity with terrific determination and composure... that's the mental toughness I bang on about. Not overawed, focussed. Ditto, H.

Binnsy and Lij were so, so important in that win. Elite work rate.

JSOS is rapidly elevating himself to one of the much better key defenders in the game. With aggott in hand you just know he'll deliver it well to the best option. Haynes value is now cemented.

And this Young bloke we've all been critical of is gaining confidence... and dare I say, importance!



And dare I add Baggers that Motlop did some nice things last night. He got to the contest more and some of his disposals were excellent. We need to continue polishing up our skills and composure but all in all we scrapped it out for a good win. Hopefully the injury toll won’t be too bad.


Good pick-up, Fluffy One. That one handed clean pick up in the last and the handball over the top were really influential in connecting the play. Yep, happy with Mots' game.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #66

If only Motlop was a one touch player...

This aspect of his game drives me up the wall, for a bloke so close to the ground, his hands are terrible. He gets to the right spots and reads the play as well as anyone but his fumbles let him down.
Binns was ok last night, the opposition suited him.
That is the area that Jesse needs to work on most. If he didn't fumble so much, he'd have the chance to show his evasive skills. But, after he fumbles, there is no chance.
He also needs to work on his marking, as we're stupid enough to kick the ball to him in a 1 on 1, which he inevitably loses. If he could even get the ball to ground, then it wouldn't be a total lost. However, that doesn't happen; he gets out-marked 97 times out of 100. :(

Binns: I'm glad he had a good game, as he deserved the opportunity. However, I'd like to see a more consistent effort. He had 2 great quarters, where he got 18 of his 22 possessions. The other two he didn't do much. He gives us 4 quarters and he'll be a lot harder to drop.

I'm not sure how fit Blake Acres is. He isn't getting to the contests like he was, neither is he taking the clutch marks. If guys like Binns and Lukas C can come on, it would be a good idea to get Acres patched up. I know he hurt his good shoulder yesterday, but I'd rather see him with 2 good shoulders rather than ... however many he has at the moment.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #67
This aspect of his game drives me up the wall, for a bloke so close to the ground, his hands are terrible. He gets to the right spots and reads the play as well as anyone but his fumbles let him down.
Binns was ok last night, the opposition suited him.
That is the area that Jesse needs to work on most. If he didn't fumble so much, he'd have the chance to show his evasive skills. But, after he fumbles, there is no chance.
He also needs to work on his marking, as we're stupid enough to kick the ball to him in a 1 on 1, which he inevitably loses. If he could even get the ball to ground, then it wouldn't be a total lost. However, that doesn't happen; he gets out-marked 97 times out of 100. :(

Binns: I'm glad he had a good game, as he deserved the opportunity. However, I'd like to see a more consistent effort. He had 2 great quarters, where he got 18 of his 22 possessions. The other two he didn't do much. He gives us 4 quarters and he'll be a lot harder to drop.

I'm not sure how fit Blake Acres is. He isn't getting to the contests like he was, neither is he taking the clutch marks. If guys like Binns and Lukas C can come on, it would be a good idea to get Acres patched up. I know he hurt his good shoulder yesterday, but I'd rather see him with 2 good shoulders rather than ... however many he has at the moment.
I think if Acres was at Collingwood he would be managed and not play every game, he always looks sore and a bit under done.
We need to trust players like Binns and Lord etc to provide us with the depth to rest players and come to grips with the modern game that some players cant play every game and like a good racehorse need spelling to keep them fresh for the big races.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #68
That is the area that Jesse needs to work on most. If he didn't fumble so much, he'd have the chance to show his evasive skills. But, after he fumbles, there is no chance.
He also needs to work on his marking, as we're stupid enough to kick the ball to him in a 1 on 1, which he inevitably loses. If he could even get the ball to ground, then it wouldn't be a total lost. However, that doesn't happen; he gets out-marked 97 times out of 100. :(

Binns: I'm glad he had a good game, as he deserved the opportunity. However, I'd like to see a more consistent effort. He had 2 great quarters, where he got 18 of his 22 possessions. The other two he didn't do much. He gives us 4 quarters and he'll be a lot harder to drop.

I'm not sure how fit Blake Acres is. He isn't getting to the contests like he was, neither is he taking the clutch marks. If guys like Binns and Lukas C can come on, it would be a good idea to get Acres patched up. I know he hurt his good shoulder yesterday, but I'd rather see him with 2 good shoulders rather than ... however many he has at the moment.
I think if Acres was at Collingwood he would be managed and not play every game, he always looks sore and a bit under done.
We need to trust players like Binns and Lord etc to provide us with the depth to rest players and come to grips with the modern game that some players cant play every game and like a good racehorse need spelling to keep them fresh for the big races.
Yes the modern game is super intense and takes its toll of players, especially those who are not the most hardened physically. We seem to have a few of those who are more susceptible to injuries and need careful management. I sense that we are becoming more aware of this and hopefully we can better develop our list accordingly. Maybe Wright will get more involved in this?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #69
Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #70
Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

I dont mind if a CEO is hands on in an area he has expertise in providing he is collaborative and involves the LM team and footy manager. Not like Baldilocks who couldn't even spell list management yet invited players from his ex Club to tour the facility.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #71
Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.


I don't think that any involvement by Wright in list management would be a sore point. None of our previous CEOs have had impressive list management experience and responsibility. I see it as a real bonus that he has been so successful in this past role and welcome his experience and influence. He would need, though, to have 'his' person as the head of the football department to be his 'hands on.'
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #72
Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

It's I not ansore point because the bloke jn power who had no experience in list management tried overrule the bloke who had, a couple times at least, and tried to bring his mate into the club off the back of that. That has subsequently set off the former list manager to the point where he won't return to the club to celebrate his own success or the success of his son.

Pretty sure Wright can't and won't do the same.

 

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #73
Wright's involvement with List Management is probably a bit of a sore point given we've been bitten by CEO's getting involved before....but it is an area where he at least has some experience.
A lot may depend on who has the List manager position at the end of the year.

Wright gives the impression he's going to be pretty 'hands on'.
Whether that turns out to be a good thing, or a disruptive one time will tell.

It's I not ansore point because the bloke jn power who had no experience in list management tried overrule the bloke who had, a couple times at least, and tried to bring his mate into the club off the back of that. That has subsequently set off the former list manager to the point where he won't return to the club to celebrate his own success or the success of his son.

Pretty sure Wright can't and won't do the same.

That previous list manager probably needs to harden up a bit.
He couldn't even get together with a group of team-mates who he shared the ultimate success with. ::)
SOS's problems obviously run deeper than Liddle...who is long gone.

I don't think we know what Wright will do...yet.

But I suspect there will be changes where he thinks things haven't been operating at their optimum.
It's not a quick handover to Wright and he'll be taking his time and getting a good feel for what needs to be done.
And that may mean a few changes in personnel.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #74

That previous list manager probably needs to harden up a bit.
He couldn't even get together with a group of team-mates who he shared the ultimate success with. ::)
SOS's problems obviously run deeper than Liddle...who is long gone.

I don't think we know what Wright will do...yet.

But I suspect there will be changes where he thinks things haven't been operating at their optimum.
It's not a quick handover to Wright and he'll be taking his time and getting a good feel for what needs to be done.
And that may mean a few changes in personnel.
I really couldn't give a flying toss about SOS Snr anymore, he is virtually dead to me from CFC fan perspective. HIs behaviour towards his son (not celebrating his milestones) has been appalling in my view. Couldn't care less if he doesnt want to turn up to club functions, but a sons milestones are different. Jo took a veiled swipe at him in the mothers day video I reckon when she commented how she admires Jack's love for the club, the clubs history and their families history with the club.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership