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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #105 –
You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #106 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.
Indeed, but that doesn't seem to mean anything to St. Kilda. They follow the beat of a different drum.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #107 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.
Marshall is closer to the end, its succession planning allows one to play fwd (given King is always injured).
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #108 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.

Using that logic, why did the demons take Grundy when they had Gawn?

Some clubs do weird things and list managers get swayed by certain positions for some reasons.....like us with small forwards

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Reply #109 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
You would consider pay ing 1.7 million for Tom if you didn't have a decent ruck but StKilda do so it doesn't make sense.
Marshall is closer to the end, its succession planning allows one to play fwd (given King is always injured).
Agree...Both can take a mark and play forward and I reckon that is the motivation but all of us know playing ruckman in key forward positions never works on a consistent basis 99% of the time and both of them do their best work around the ground as 1st ruck. You also have to add in the SOS hatred which seems to have gone up a gear and I think his ego would get a huge boost if he could steal one of our finest and be able to gloat about it...I reckon he will/would offer big dollars for Walsh too if he felt he could push the price up for us and make us sweat for his signature.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #110 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
You also have to add in the SOS hatred which seems to have gone up a gear and I think his ego would get a huge boost if he could steal one of our finest and be able to gloat about it...I reckon he will/would offer big dollars for Walsh too if he felt he could push the price up for us and make us sweat for his signature.
This is what its all about, SOS will happily torch StK in the process of getting his pound of flesh from us.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #111 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
You also have to add in the SOS hatred which seems to have gone up a gear and I think his ego would get a huge boost if he could steal one of our finest and be able to gloat about it...I reckon he will/would offer big dollars for Walsh too if he felt he could push the price up for us and make us sweat for his signature.
This is what its all about, SOS will happily torch StK in the process of getting his pound of flesh from us.

Bitterness and resentment are like drinking poison and expecting the other person to get sick.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #112 –
Well I suppose the behaviour of SOS sort of exposes his issues with the club despite not being so overtly public about it, while Lyon is unquestionably bitter and openly so.

For SOS I'd always thought that the main problem stemmed from the broken relationship between SOS and certain former team-mates following the payments scandal, from what I have heard relationships remain "strained"! Others are pretty adamant they felt they had been thrown under a bus.

So in that regard we have at least 2 out of 3 who see us as enemy No.1.

Now I recall that at some stage in the recent past Graeme Gubby Allen was also involved at the Aints, not sure if he remains there, but that would be a 3 from 3 having Carlton as the prime enemy!

Perhaps they should take on Sheedy as a consultant! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #113 –
To date, sos has attempted to get a lot of players from his old clubs.

The best of which is arguably matt Kennedy.  He was both a top 10 draft pick and successfully playing good footy over many games at his new club.

He missed:

Treloar
Shiel
Coniglio

And ended up getting guys like marchbank, lamb, plowman (believe it or not is a close second to kennedy in terms of games played vs capability at the level), Phillips and a raft of names that don't quite cut the mustard with Zac williams not quite being a sos recruit at carlton as he had left us before we signed zac. 

So you can expect him to throw the kitchen sink at all our best players, but this has shades of malthouse about it and won't end well for the saints.

If they take tdk off us we should try prise loose wanganeen-millera.
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Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #114 –
Yep
For SOS there may be an element of proving his choices right.
He brought a number of GWS athletes to our club, some first round picks.

We look at the situation and because of our own emotional attachment to the club we guess about his motivation, but it is just a guess...

At the end of the day...
Is it really useful having a list manager whose method of operation is based on revenge and/or justifying previous selections.
I dare say a club whose list manager operates on that basis would have a very short tenure.
It can't be all about that with Silvagni.
There would want to be some very big positives to keep someone in a job.

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Reply #115 –
This is off topic, but where does Jack Silvagni fit into all of this ? Whilst the "vengeful SOS" theory is certainly plausible, I remain skeptical. SOS is basically weakening the club where his son still plays, where he and his dad Sergio forged great careers and became club legends. Is Jack privy to discussions on TDK's future ? Does his position as SOS's son compromise his relationships with his team mates etc ?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #116 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
To date, sos has attempted to get a lot of players from his old clubs.

The best of which is arguably matt Kennedy.  He was both a top 10 draft pick and successfully playing good footy over many games at his new club.

He missed:

Treloar
Shiel
Coniglio

And ended up getting guys like marchbank, lamb, plowman (believe it or not is a close second to kennedy in terms of games played vs capability at the level), Phillips and a raft of names that don't quite cut the mustard with Zac williams not quite being a sos recruit at carlton as he had left us before we signed zac. 

So you can expect him to throw the kitchen sink at all our best players, but this has shades of malthouse about it and won't end well for the saints.

If they take tdk off us we should try prise loose wanganeen-millera.
Exactly, two can play that game. From the mail floating around, the LM team have plan B when TDK leaves and have a couple of very good players lined up. Wanganeen Millera would be an absolute weapon at our club.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #117 –
Did anyone notice the incident that resulted in Tom’s larynx injury?

I wonder if he got a free kick … or was he penalised for blocking?

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

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Reply #118 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Did anyone notice the incident that resulted in Tom’s larynx injury?

I wonder if he got a free kick … or was he penalised for blocking?
If it was the centre square incident that did the damage, TDK got hit in the throat and penalised for blocking all in the one event.

When TDK jumps early over opponents the opponents are pleading /  begging to umpires that his early jump is blocking them from the contest, but they can put out a stiff straight arm under the current rules preventing TDK from reaching the footy and that is all OK.

There was another high hit at a boundary line throw in, both were against Marshall.

There was another incident when the umpire threw the ball up crooked and then penalised our ruck for blocking, I think that was Cripps.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 9 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #119 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
This is off topic, but where does Jack Silvagni fit into all of this ? Whilst the "vengeful SOS" theory is certainly plausible, I remain skeptical. SOS is basically weakening the club where his son still plays, where he and his dad Sergio forged great careers and became club legends. Is Jack privy to discussions on TDK's future ? Does his position as SOS's son compromise his relationships with his team mates etc ?

I've thought of JSOS in all this too - Jack is a free agent at the end of the season (restricted??), would his dad go after him as well??