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Re: VFL 2025 Rd 7 Carlton vs Sandringham

Reply #15 –
The post match was interesting with McMahon.
He mentioned there were a few clubs showing interest for the mid-season.
He also mentioned he'd been disappointed in the past...so he may not have been happy to have been overlooked by us.
Whatever the case, unless we give him a spot there is a very good chance he won't be part of the side for the second half of the season.

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Reply #16 –
Some green shoots:
Rob Monahan: 13 possessions and looked like he had more idea. Still a way to go, but looking better.
Matt Duffy: 6 possessions and a couple of spoils. Not bad for his 1st game. Will be interesting to see how he develops in the next few weeks.

Ashton Moir: his 1st half was decent, but he didn't do a lot after half time. Still, he looked more involved.
Hudson O'Keefe: his leap to touch an otherwise certain goal was impressive. His marking wasn't bad either, but he needs to kick through his shots at goal. 13 possessions and 13 taps.
Harry Lemmey: not really involved until after Pitto went off. He then went into the ruck and competed well. A couple of spoils and tackles; much more involved.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #17 –
I think Doc has found the standard that is now at his level and pace. Rather than just wallowing in the twos for the rest of the year, he should declare his intentions now. He will most definitely move into coaching, so finish off the year as senior player, on field coach,  mentor and assistant to Power. (Can't 'declare' him as a coach due to the soft cap.)

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Reply #18 –
A win from the 1s and the 2s, that's more like it. More of that please Baggers.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #19 –
Doc is a dynamic player still has plenty to offer.
Magoos should get Cincotta back and maybe Zaccy will come back into the team for Evans.
Mid season draft in 2 weeks - one would think Liam McMahon is an easy choice to make.

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Reply #20 –
I'd think they may be looking at Phillips too

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Reply #21 –
I wouldn't be picking up Philips, his kicking isn't great and either is his ground game imo. I want another KP defender but I'm starting to see why he hasn't been able to make it.

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Reply #22 –
I had to really temper any enthusiasm for certain players with the observation that the Zebras were awful. In fact, if not for Zak Jones, we could and should have won by much, much more. Their system going into forward 50 was dreadful.

Billy seemed our best and really liked how clean he was with the aggott.
Doc had a holiday and when given plenty of time, which he often had, his disposal was good. But the few times he was under real pressure, again disposal was wayward.
Still not convinced with McMahon. Seems a good old fashioned FF/CHF, mark and kick kind of guy. No tackles or handballs... Mmm. Of the big blokes in our side who are not AFL listed I'd be more interested in Ethan Phillips - backup key defender?
Moir doesn't inspire confidence IMHO. Another cameo-kid? Rarely shows desperation... needs to watch JSOS.
Monahan, has taken a small step forward. Good to see Duffy out there.
Lemmey looks better when forced to get into the action.
Campo boys coming along nicely, just need to work on disposal... and eliminate fumbles.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #23 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
I think Doc has found the standard that is now at his level and pace. Rather than just wallowing in the twos for the rest of the year, he should declare his intentions now. He will most definitely move into coaching, so finish off the year as senior player, on field coach,  mentor and assistant to Power. (Can't 'declare' him as a coach due to the soft cap.)

I think he'd be very good in that kind of role.
But if he does get back into the seniors....
One thing about last night was that he played a more traditional role in the position where he played his best football for us-off half back.
The big criticism recently centres around his disposal.
Further up field he doesn't always have the time and space to get the ball away efficiently.
For a lot of last night, playing back, he did have that extra time, and as a result his efficiency was much better in a high possession game.
(I would add that there was a fair bit of switching the play so his disposal figures are probably a bit padded.)

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Reply #24 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
I think Doc has found the standard that is now at his level and pace. Rather than just wallowing in the twos for the rest of the year, he should declare his intentions now. He will most definitely move into coaching, so finish off the year as senior player, on field coach,  mentor and assistant to Power. (Can't 'declare' him as a coach due to the soft cap.)

I think he'd be very good in that kind of role.
But if he does get back into the seniors....
One thing about last night was that he played a more traditional role in the position where he played his best football for us-off half back.
The big criticism recently centres around his disposal.
Further up field he doesn't always have the time and space to get the ball away efficiently.
For a lot of last night, playing back, he did have that extra time, and as a result his efficiency was much better in a high possession game.
(I would add that there was a fair bit of switching the play so his disposal figures are probably a bit padded.)
we see this in soccer a bit.  Defenders like to think they can get forward and create, but there's two things that happen.

1.  They play with their back facing attacking goal. This makes reading the play harder and also means you need 360 degree vision.

2.  Without being able to see the game, they end up with increased pressure and are not as composed in possession.

This describes docherty somewhat.  His leadership, work rate and class is what he brings to the table.  Before his knee converting him to a mid sounded fine, but it might be time to shuffle the magnets around and give him license to run off half back instead and see if he can recapture form.  Ive got no doubt he could make it in time as a midfielder but I remember thinking his best footy came in the Andrew mckay role and imitating bruce doull. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #25 –
Apparently Matt Carroll was withdrawn from the game because he may be required for the Firsts next Friday.  If true, that seems a little odd to me.

Doc was a class above the opposition but he had plenty of time to choose the best option and generally executed well.  I don’t think that he’s played his last AFL game but that’s got more to do with our injury trends than his form.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Apparently Matt Carroll was withdrawn from the game because he may be required for the Firsts next Friday.  If true, that seems a little odd to me.

Doc was a class above the opposition but he had plenty of time to choose the best option and generally executed well.  I don’t think that he’s played his last AFL game but that’s got more to do with our injury trends than his form.

Not odd. He was probably dropped in part because he needed a rest after being thrown in the deep end with what was probably a limited pre-season.
Rather than waste some time/energy playing in the 2's, he'll get slotted back to the 1's next week probably taking Cowans spot which needs to be covered.

TBH, thats about as smart as a decision as our collective MC has made in a long long time.

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Reply #27 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: DJC – on
Apparently Matt Carroll was withdrawn from the game because he may be required for the Firsts next Friday.  If true, that seems a little odd to me.

Doc was a class above the opposition but he had plenty of time to choose the best option and generally executed well.  I don’t think that he’s played his last AFL game but that’s got more to do with our injury trends than his form.

Not odd. He was probably dropped in part because he needed a rest after being thrown in the deep end with what was probably a limited pre-season.
Rather than waste some time/energy playing in the 2's, he'll get slotted back to the 1's next week probably taking Cowans spot which needs to be covered.

TBH, thats about as smart as a decision as our collective MC has made in a long long time.

Tend to agree.
The last thing we needed was for Carroll to get injured in the VFL.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #28 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Not odd. He was probably dropped in part because he needed a rest after being thrown in the deep end with what was probably a limited pre-season.
Rather than waste some time/energy playing in the 2's, he'll get slotted back to the 1's next week probably taking Cowans spot which needs to be covered.

TBH, thats about as smart as a decision as our collective MC has made in a long long time.

Tend to agree.
The last thing we needed was for Carroll to get injured in the VFL.

In that case, we probably should have rested most of the AFL listed players. 

It reminds me of the storeman we once had; "You can't take that theodolite (shovel, hammer, tent, chainsaw etc), someone else may need it!"

Resting Pittonet after the heavy knock he received made sense, but Carroll should have played unless he's carrying an injury.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: northernblue – on


Tend to agree.
The last thing we needed was for Carroll to get injured in the VFL.

In that case, we probably should have rested most of the AFL listed players. 

It reminds me of the storeman we once had; "You can't take that theodolite (shovel, hammer, tent, chainsaw etc), someone else may need it!"

Resting Pittonet after the heavy knock he received made sense, but Carroll should have played unless he's carrying an injury.
AFL played Friday night.
VFL Played Saturday.

We knew what injuries we had from Friday night before the VFL played.
We know we need to replace Cowan (and possibly McGovern and potentially even Haynes and Acres). Carroll, is probably the best player available to replace all of those blokes, with Docherty the other one in contention, who has been out of form, but has a battle hardened body who can cope with quick turnarounds.

So I reiterate, this is probably the smartest thing we have done as a MC for a while now.
If you forgot about the timing of the above, of don't think Carroll gets a gig next week, so be it.
However, i reckon he is an absolute lock to come in and the above is proof of that.