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The bloody consistency. When we play well we beat anyone, but we are so on and off, often during the same game. More than anything we have to get on top of consistency issues. Soon as we look like getting on terms, re wins and losses, we fall in a heap. Get on top of that and we are a side.

Likely to go pump GWS nest week then lose to Essendon the week after. We have a decent chance to put ourselves ahead of the ledger over the next 4 weeks, let's see if it happens.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 16, 2025, 10:28:34 pm

Couldn't control Heeney and his mate Warner for 4 quarters, same old story...

I thought the same and as you say its the same story. I mean blind Freddy could see Heeney was the one who was going to impact the result yet still left to roam without a hard tag. Why??

I've said it countless times the footy IQ of this list is sub par and the coaching is also not anywhere near that of the competing teams.

I rate Walsh but how many times is he going to be caught napping or just poor positioning resulting in goals at critical times. Why does he not know how to defend a smart player at a stoppage. The one where he was facing Warner with his back to the play with no clue at all where the ball was just beyond stupid. Warner is quick so by the time he has reacted its a shot on goal. How can it be that a player in the system for that long is so out of his depth in set play situations.  Do these blokes not train that sort of thing. 

Our blokes give effort and i really do think they care but my gosh teams like the pies make us look like absolute amateurs.

 

The bloody consistency. When we play well we beat anyone, but we are so on and off, often during the same game. More than anything we have to get on top of consistency issues. Soon as we look like getting on terms, re wins and losses, we fall in a heap. Get on top of that and we are a side.

Likely to go pump GWS nest week then lose to Essendon the week after. We have a decent chance to put ourselves ahead of the ledger over the next 4 weeks, let's see if it happens.

Our blokes give effort and i really do think they care
 

We are not smart enough in the coaches box and rely heavily on too few players.
The brand and method we have doesn't hold up over a long season.
We have a few good games where our stars shine and we get teased we are decent but even when we win most of the time it's a shabby poorly executed game style based on a heavy clearance rate and and repeated entries rather than high quality efficient method.
Just not sustainable...

Everyone has identified the players that were going to win it for Sydney.
What did we do to stop them? Who did we play to stop them? What options did we have to stop them?
SFA on all counts.

Personally, i think we went in too tall, especially since their talls were not going to win them the game, and we needed options on the deck.....especially with the rain. We got pretty lucky last week with the same tall side and tried to roll the dice again, with the added degree of difficulty of the rain working against us.

That being said, if we play this game next week, we probably win.
TDK comes in for Pitto.
Acres comes in for Binns
Fogarty comes in for Evans
Docherty comes in for Boyd (inj)
Cincotta comes in for Silvagni (inj)

I think that team suits the swans better

Quote from: kruddler – on May 17, 2025, 12:25:05 pm

Everyone has identified the players that were going to win it for Sydney.
What did we do to stop them? Who did we play to stop them? What options did we have to stop them?
SFA on all counts.

Personally, i think we went in too tall, especially since their talls were not going to win them the game, and we needed options on the deck.....especially with the rain. We got pretty lucky last week with the same tall side and tried to roll the dice again, with the added degree of difficulty of the rain working against us.

That being said, if we play this game next week, we probably win.
TDK comes in for Pitto.
Acres comes in for Binns
Fogarty comes in for Evans
Docherty comes in for Boyd (inj)
Cincotta comes in for Silvagni (inj)

I think that team suits the swans better

Thing is they also had a team well below its full strength. No Gulden, McDonald, Adams, Mills, Papley. Plus next year it will be pit in and TDK out so better gets used to that one.

We cant keep saying the same thing with every loss. Every team plays without its best 22 and to use that as a defence papers over much deeper cracks.

They were there for the taking and once again we failed.

Motlop gets in good positions.
But he doesn't take the ball with him.

Quote from: Lods – on May 16, 2025, 10:56:25 pm

Motlop gets in good positions.
But he doesn't take the ball with him.

Motlop reminds me Deluilo. Runs around and try's to break tackles and always gets caught. Take the first option and get rid of the ball. Been reading the posts this year but have not commented on anything as it's just to much.
Like a lot of people on this forum I've had a gut full. Don't watch the replay unless we win and just lost a lot of interest compared to my younger years.

We will probably do a 2023, make finals only to bow out and keep us hanging for next year.

Quote from: Baggers – on May 17, 2025, 09:32:21 am

No surprises. Same old same old. In fact, looked pretty much the same as the beginning of the season... opposition ups the ante in the second half, discipline and leadership wilt. Mentally tired or physically spent? Maybe both.

We were informed at the beginning of the season that inconsistency would be addressed. When will that be addressed, exactly? Inconsistency is still our brand.

Reward for effort (scoreboard) remains an issue. Just seems that our small forwards are trained as small defenders on the forward line. Early on in his career Mots was creative and dangerous around goals. Has that creativity not been nurtured and built upon? More recently, White who showed creative flair early. Now? Gone. Another dour defender in the forward line. Now I understand why Frankie was recruited. He's our kind of small forward - strong defensively.

Interesting that Rottingwood is also a very good side defensively, but get better as the game goes on... and have a number of gears. We seem to have one focus, keep the opposition to under 80pts. We achieved that against the Fluffy Ducks. Tick. Maybe our 'team defense' is not as good as we believe? Seems the top clubs are very good at defense, and can hit the scoreboard - nourishment/reward for effort. Us, the Go Dees and Aints are all dour. Mm, let's check out ladder positions.

I can't help but wonder if we actually know what we're doing, coaching wise.

Voss identified the problems in his presser that we were beaten in the clearances and also pre match knew that Heeney and Warner were going to be the problems but the planning for them didn't hold up once they got rolling. You didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that if Heeney and Warner got 30 plus possessions each we were going to struggle much like when you play Collingwood and you have to control the Daicos kids or you lose.
We didnt seem to have a plan B, C, D etc and I thought once his plan A wasn't working we just let the game ride and gave up.

Quote from: blueboys_1 – on May 17, 2025, 01:31:29 pm

Motlop reminds me Deluilo. Runs around and try's to break tackles and always gets caught. Take the first option and get rid of the ball. Been reading the posts this year but have not commented on anything as it's just to much.
Like a lot of people on this forum I've had a gut full. Don't watch the replay unless we win and just lost a lot of interest compared to my younger years.

We will probably do a 2023, make finals only to bow out and keep us hanging for next year.

Motlops best games for the year has been when he has rotated through the midfield for large chunks of the game. Its happened 2-3 times this year.

Why it only happens in some games and not others, i don't understand. I called for it to happen in about the 3rd quarter last night as we needed to mix it up, but nothing.

His (lack of) awareness gets him into trouble sometimes, but he is still learning the game. That was only his 50th game last night.
Cant recall if it was Pagan or Malthouse who used to say you need at least 50 games (if not 100) before you can become a consistent AFL footballer. Given his injury history and interrupted pre-seasons, i'd say next year will be 'his year'.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 17, 2025, 12:20:26 pm

We are not smart enough in the coaches box and rely heavily on too few players.
The brand and method we have doesn't hold up over a long season.
We have a few good games where our stars shine and we get teased we are decent but even when we win most of the time it's a shabby poorly executed game style based on a heavy clearance rate and and repeated entries rather than high quality efficient method.
Just not sustainable...

I'm not convinced the problem lies in the coaches box, they new what was coming, planned for it, the job was getting done until it wasn't. For 3 qtrs we won the arm wrestle, in the last we raised the white flag and that was most evident when we allowed the Swans to waltz out of the centre and bang one home straight after Charlie kicked his 3rd. That's just pissweak leadership and effort at that point in the game, nothing to do with coaches.
There are so many levers a coach can pull in game, the notion that we could just swing moves to quell 5 and 1 is a stretch, the midfield was doing the job on those 2 for three qtrs then they turned up their heels when it counted.