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Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #90 –
4 years under voss and nothing changed that is the scary part ,we were lucky to win those finals so gave us some hope and thats all it was HOPE , truth is our system and players aren't good enough simple, people forget 60 -0 against lions ,so pressure on Nick Austin  and coaches .

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #91 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Swans and GWS both have big injury lists.
We have no excuses...

Yeah, we do struggle with adversity, and dont win those games with the big outs, like some other mobs do
This is also the (what) 15th year in a row, that we have had poor "luck" with interrupted pre-seasons and injuries

But, to be glass half full - i know a lot of teams have 10 injuries, but look at the ones we have
- JSOS - was proving to be one of our only great users of half back
- Newy - ditto
- Williams - our only potent goal kicking small forward
- Cotters & Acres - our gut runners who provide a bit on the outside
- Jager - some class and polish in the middle
- Lij - can actually use it, going forward
- Cincotta - would have been handy on Heeney last week and Greene this week
- Charlie & Harry - both having interupted years - surely this is affecting them
- Weeters - surely hurt this week - pretty self explanatory
- Add to that Walsh (preseason) and Crippa (somehting not right) going at 90%, instead of 100%

They would all help a bit with our current weaknesses  
(and - I dont think Kennedy or Owies (or Stocker or Zac Fisher) would add that much to our current weaknesses - so, maybe the media can give that a rest)
We used to win with big outs. We sat 2nd with 7 weeks to go last week and to that point the closest we had to a full best 23 was 7 out. Then it got worse from there. We just have a very poor attitude right now. That needs to sort as does our structure. As LP says, we are always trying to kick goals from stoppages, hard and draining work, rarely being able to kick the easy goal. That part is on coaching and the Match Committee.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #92 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
4 years under voss and nothing changed that is the scary part ,we were lucky to win those finals so gave us some hope and thats all it was HOPE , truth is our system and players aren't good enough simple, people forget 60 -0 against lions ,so pressure on Nick Austin  and coaches .

Attitude changed instantly after the pow wow at Ed's place. Then we won 10 in a row. Those finals wins were good ones as we were nearly cooked by then. That was our one chance to get a premiership if we didn't play in such poor, often lazy fashion the first half of 2023. The side is similar, structure definitely needs work though for the next step but attitude is everything, and that's the worst part. Without that, nothing else matters. May as well shuffle the deck chair on the Titanic. 2023 it changed overnight and changed the fortunes.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #93 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Footy Furnace crew bagged our system and kicking going forward which is nothing new, but blamed it on coaching where to kick and said it's it's a skill we have not fixed for 2 years with Bartel in a clip from back then identifying our poor entries. So that's the coach in the gun but also identified our players not being on the same page and being selfish instead of looking for better options.
There was a list of our worst poor kicking players, players who are down this season
 and the view that our premiership window is closing especially if TDK leaves.


Saw the same thing, EB1. Damning. When they showed Bartel identifying our present major issue... two years ago... it was just deflating. Why the fck can't or won't our present group of coaches see it too?

Let's throw another damning reality into the mix. Development. How many of our senior players have improved this year? The facts are embarrassing.

We know Vossy spent time with Ange P and took on board his advice that you stick hard to your plan. News flash, Vossy, Ange has deep experience with success and winning, so when he sticks to a plan it's because he has a winning template as strong reference. You don't. You seem to be making exactly the same mistakes you did at Brisvegas... how did that end up?

The real potential tragedy is that our serious talent is older and heading to retirement. Their window of opportunity is squeaking shut. What a perversion of justice if they don't get to taste deep finals success. Our system does not support winning. Time for pontification is over. Act. Change.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #94 –
Quote from: laj – on
Attitude changed instantly after the pow wow at Ed's place. Then we won 10 in a row. Those finals wins were good ones as we were nearly cooked by then. That was our one chance to get a premiership if we didn't play in such poor, often lazy fashion the first half of 2023. The side is similar, structure definitely needs work though for the next step but attitude is everything, and that's the worst part. Without that, nothing else matters. May as well shuffle the deck chair on the Titanic. 2023 it changed overnight and changed the fortunes.
You know after thinking about what I watched on Sat and watching Terry's (Blue Abroad) review, something didn't look right with the players. The attitude doesnt seem quite there and I wonder what's the cause? Is the TDK move and potential senior player move causing angst? Is the E Hollands situation worse than what we know? Ollie in particular looked flat as a tack from when he ran out.
Dunno, could be me just jumping to conclusions based purely on what I perceive (think I see) with no inside knowledge whatsoever.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #95 –
It's hard to know...Owies and Kennedy's departure may have had an effect on a few of their closest.
Perhaps we're looking at certain players and their body language, and maybe seeing things that seem to indicate an issue... but we're putting our own slant on things because of our ladder position.
I don't think we'll really know until the end of the year and we see more player movements.
That's of course assuming no major breakdowns in the second half of the season.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #96 –
Quote from: pinot – on
four years under Voss to balance the list with small forward class.
There is only one trade that makes sense - TDK pick if he goes + McKay to North Melbourne for Paul Curtis + 2nd round pick.

Don't give up your day job mate.

You are essentially saying TDK + Harry for Curtis and a 2nd rounder.

I wouldn't do that deal if it was just one of them. No way in hell its both of them.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #97 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: pinot – on
four years under Voss to balance the list with small forward class.
There is only one trade that makes sense - TDK pick if he goes + McKay to North Melbourne for Paul Curtis + 2nd round pick.

Don't give up your day job mate.

You are essentially saying TDK + Harry for Curtis and a 2nd rounder.

I wouldn't do that deal if it was just one of them. No way in hell its both of them.

So what will you do? TDK's pick as it stands is Pick 8 and Melbourne want three first rounders for Pickett.

What will you do to make our forward line more unpredictable?... or just kick the can down the road as Voss has done.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #98 –
That would be the worst trade in history, even if the AFL survived 1000 years.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #99 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Don't give up your day job mate.

You are essentially saying TDK + Harry for Curtis and a 2nd rounder.

I wouldn't do that deal if it was just one of them. No way in hell its both of them.

So what will you do? TDK's pick as it stands is Pick 8 and Melbourne want three first rounders for Pickett.

What will you do to make our forward line more unpredictable?... or just kick the can down the road as Voss has done.

It's a good question, K, from Fine Wine (Pinot). I'd be interested, also, to know what you would do with our long standing (years) poor forward connection and forward line efficiency to enable kicking more goals?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #100 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Don't give up your day job mate.

You are essentially saying TDK + Harry for Curtis and a 2nd rounder.

I wouldn't do that deal if it was just one of them. No way in hell its both of them.

So what will you do? TDK's pick as it stands is Pick 8 and Melbourne want three first rounders for Pickett.

What will you do to make our forward line more unpredictable?... or just kick the can down the road as Voss has done.

Melbourne can want 3 first rounders for Pickett. Nobody is going to pay it though. So thats a silly point to make.

I can say whatever i want to say and there is no right or wrong answer because i don't have any say it what the club does.

However, Tyson Gresham is an NGA player we have access too. There is the option to recruit Jade Gresham as well to unite the brothers. Thats 2 small forwards that wouldn't cost us much.
Not sure what the bombers would want for him, but it wouldn't be too much i don't think. Certainly not multiple 1st rounders.

Of course, we could always dangle the McKay carrot in front of them to unite the brothers for them, that should get us a decent pick or 2 back as well.

Depends who you rate and what you want to give up.

Instead of TDK+McKay for Curtis.
Give up McKay and get Gresham and another pick back.....and keep your TDK compo.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #101 –
an 18 year old will change our fortunes, will it and no one will pay pick 12 + 18 + future first for Kozzy Pickett... is just silly.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #102 –
Quote from: pinot – on
an 18 year old will change our fortunes, will it and no one will pay pick 12 + 18 + future first for Kozzy Pickett... is just silly.

Think you might want to reread what i wrote. There are 2 greshams being spoken about.

I know you have a long standing facination with small forwards, but we are not talking about Kozzy Pickett not Leigh Matthews, Kevin Bartlett or Dustin Martin FFS.

Nobody has every paid 3 first rounders for a small forward and the first person to do that will not have a job following that deal.
Only time i can recall anyone trading 3 first rounders was west coast for Tim Kelly....at the time he was the biggest/best mid going around and he was only 25 at the time.

Back to small forwards, sure, he was 32 at the time, but we paid a future 4th to get Eddie Betts back from the crows. Eddie!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #103 –
Looks like AFL 360 called us "The Lygon Street Butchers".

Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #104 –
Quote from: laj – on
Looks like AFL 360 called us "The Lygon Street Butchers".

Just watched that.

Talked about not being able to kick and showed some poor kicks.
Doesn't delve into why.
Talks about poor entry inside F50....showed 1 example of a miskick as proof we can't kick.

2 second analysis based on numbers, not game plan.
Someone is always going to be 18th. Doesn't mean they can't kick.