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Quote from: DJC – on May 27, 2025, 02:54:38 pm

But most of the youths involved in the Northland fracas were Caucasians ... just as they were when they had brawls there when I was a teenager.

My youngest grandson is in grade 4 .  One of his classmates got "excited" last week and went off to find his grade 5 mate.  They came back and proceeded to bash my grandson and his mates.  They paid particular attention to one of the boys who has a darker complexion, bashing him repeatedly and calling him a "black monkey". 

Where does that come from; brain dead parents who teach their kids racist attitudes from a young age?

I agree with Shawny, My daughter lived out at Fraser Rise for a while on an estate in the far West of Melbourne and had a Sudanese gang attack and smash all the cars in her street as well as try and force entry to her home to steal her car and was only saved by her two large dogs who cornered one offender in the backyard and the others ran away. The same gang ransacked the local supermarket on a regular basis and with the nearest police half an hour away due to the closure of her local station at 5pm it was unsafe to live there and she relocated to the Eastern suburbs.
Watergardens was her previous main Shopping centre and has had numerous incidents of stabbings, gang fights etc but its become too politically sensitive to name offenders by colour, country of origin/descent etc being under age.
Machete's as a weapon of choice isnt part of Australian culture and has been imported into the country from overseas along with this teenage gang warfare and Shawny is spot on with who are in the main the major culprits imho.
Yep there have always been gangs in Australia like any country but never in my time have we had shopping centres as the battleground for gangs fighting in open public and its something you equate to gated estates and Soweto in South Africa where we are heading in Australia.

Canberra Times 2 July 1973,
VIOLENT NIGHT
MELBOURNE, Sunday. — Broken beer bottles knives, fence pickets, a machete, boots and fists were used in a violent Saturday night in Melbourne.
Hospitals reported crowded waiting rooms for minor assaults and bashings, while in the inner suburbs more serious bashings occurred.
In the Alma Hotel in St Kilda, a detective's nose was broken during a fight. Two men will appear in the St Kilda Court tomorrow charged with assaulting police.
Western General Hospital, Footscray, treated about 20 assault victims between 8pm and midnight. In last night's worst assault, a 26-year-old Richmond man was jabbed in the face with a broken beer bottle.

The Canberra Times  19 Aug 1991

Armed gang robbed family

MELBOURNE: A gang of armed men terrorised and robbed a Vietnamese family, who were celebrating the birth day of their young child in Melbourne on Saturday night.  Victoria Police said the five masked men burst into a house in Pridham Street, Maidstone, just before midnight and began robbing about 15 family members and friends - adults and children.  Police said two of the men had brandished silver handguns, two others had machetes and the fifth an iron bar.

Canberra Times 8 November 1993

'Old battler' shot by police

MELBOURNE: A man in his 70s, allegedly armed with a machete or tomahawk, was shot in the leg yesterday when a police gun discharged as police were breaking up a fight.
Police were called to a house in Roberts Road, Airport West, in Victoria's west, where the man and a 61year-old man were reported by neighbours to be fighting.
Police said that during a struggle with the men to break up the fight, one of the police officers' firearms discharged and hit the man in the leg..
He was in satisfactory condition in Royal Melbourne Hospital last night, and the 61-year-old was also receiving medical treatment.

The Barrier Miner 11 Apr 1934

SHOT IN GANG FIGHT

MELBOURNE, Wednesday
In a fight between a crowd of youths from Sunshine and a number of Footscray youths, Ronald Henry Mann (19) of Footscray, was shot in the back. The bullet has been removed and Mann's condition is not serious.
The Footscray youths were molested while escorting some girls home. Mann was not with them at the time. lt is alleged that a threat to shoot at the Footscray youths was made, but no shots were fired. The following night Mann and his companions
were standing at the corner of Geelong Road and Barkley Street, Footscray, when the Sunshine youths passed.  Mann and his friends followed them for a short distance, and a fight began, during which two shots were fired.
The police visited a house In Sunshine and arrested a youth, who has been charged with inflicting grievous bodily harm.

Tribune 30 December 1943, page 1

Basher Gang Violence Rouses Youth

MELBOURNE.—The General Secretary of the Eureka Youth League, Audrey Blake, reports that on December 21, the Victorian Chief Commissioner of Police, Mr. Duncan, received a deputation of youth clubs from the suburbs who have been troubled recently by organised hooligan attacks.

Daily Mirror 25 June 1952

Youth Gang Court Story

MELBOURNE, Wed.— Police alleged in the city Court today that a gang of youths, some of whom were masked and carried rubber truncheons, had assaulted and robbed people at Fitzroy Gardens, in the heart of Melbourne. They alleged that Lloyd John Retallick (22), who was committed for trial on four charges of robbery with violence, was the ringleader. Henry David Lyons (17), was committed for trial on two similar charges, and the youths were allowed £200 bail each. The police said other gang members had been charged in the Children's Court. "Had Knife" Dr Caron Kent and Bruce McBrien, merchant, were two witnesses, who told of being attacked and robbed at night, and Mc-Brien said some masked youths threatened: "If you don't give us your watch, we have a knife and you'll get 'it in the back." Another witness said he was struck with a piece of iron piping.

Argus 14 June 1956

POLICE SWOOP ON BODGIES

This was in Bourke St yesterday. Crowds stopped to watch police question teenagers during the lunch-hour - And give one a public spanking

A policeman spanked a 14-year-old bodgie in Swanston St yesterday - to the cheers of spectators. He was the ringleader of a gang of 20 young bodgies who had raced down Swanston st. kicking a tin "football."
The pack crashed in and out of the thick lunchtime crowd, knocking over women and kicking the tin against the legs or pedestrians. The bodgies were aged between 12 and 18, and wore white-striped navy blue jumpers. Finally, they crashed into an elderly woman near Lonsdale St knocking her to the ground.
The tin hit the policeman, who seized the ringleader as he dived to recover it. The spanking followed. Bodgies and widgies were in trouble with the law in other parts of the city, too. Police raided a Bourke St store in a bid to clean out Melbourne's key bodgie strongpost. Customers in the store have been shocked recently by brazen love making and offensive behavior of the "Asphalt Arabs" - the bodgie gang, which haunts the record bar.

"Arabs" on the run

Consorting police, plain-clothed detectives, and uniformed beatmen closed on the store at lunchtime.
The bodgie pack, which gathers in Little Collins St before marching in Indian file on the store, scattered in all directions when they saw the trap.  Police recognised a number of petty criminals among them. Six bodgies were escorted from the store and were followed by a dozen widgies wearing tight striped jumpers and split skirts.
One young bodgie rushed from the store and shouted "the Bulls are there."

Nope DJC, can't agree. I'm with Shawny and Elwood. Not sure what vision you saw re the disgrace at Northland but the thugs were clearly "of African appearance". Have we noticed that term doesn't get used anymore?
Anyway, there is a consistent theme that's been going on for quite some time now and will continue on for the foreseeable future.
We are so weak with law and order that crime gangs are taking advantage of it and using minority groups to do their dirty work. This I know because my brother-in-law is a cop. In fact maybe if you know a cop you can ask them.

Perhaps it's about demographics, and where they sit on the financial spectrum.
I'll bet the majority of crime is correlated to low income families and that would ring true for ethnic minority.

Quote from: Thryleon – on May 27, 2025, 10:32:22 pm

Perhaps it's about demographics, and where they sit on the financial spectrum.
I'll bet the majority of crime is correlated to low income families and that would ring true for ethnic minority.

Well, I think that's got a lot to do with it Thry. African refugee family, with maybe 4-5 offspring, the family is living off centrelink payments and they've been dumped in Sunshine/St Albans/Keilor with zero prospects. Recipe for disaster.

@Lods clearly immigrants from all corners of the globe have existed here for a long time. Youth gangs have existing for a long time also. I think however the propensity for violence (sometimes extreme) with weapons has increased and is heavily influence by organised crime (be it Mafia, MECGs, OMGs, Asian Crime Gangs etc). The fact that little or nothing is done to young offenders means the  organised crime gangs utilise the youths to do the dirty work and its them that post the bail and reward them for their efforts, handsomely by comparison to flipping burgers. I think there is also the copy cat element whereby they want to emulate gangs in the US. I couldn't care less if these young offenders where born here or came here, they are minors and there parents/gaurdians are responsible for them. Time to start making them accountable as well as the offenders for their actions. Nuffs enuff.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 28, 2025, 10:17:13 am

@Lods clearly immigrants from all corners of the globe have existed here for a long time. Youth gangs have existing for a long time also. I think however the propensity for violence (sometimes extreme) with weapons has increased and is heavily influence by organised crime (be it Mafia, MECGs, OMGs, Asian Crime Gangs etc). The fact that little or nothing is done to young offenders means the  organised crime gangs utilise the youths to do the dirty work and its them that post the bail and reward them for their efforts, handsomely by comparison to flipping burgers. I think there is also the copy cat element whereby they want to emulate gangs in the US. I couldn't care less if these young offenders where born here or came here, they are minors and there parents/gaurdians are responsible for them. Time to start making them accountable as well as the offenders for their actions. Nuffs enuff.

I've met lots of the parents.
Punishing most of them would be an exercise in futility.
They have neither the means (wealth) or the social nous and parenting skills to cope with any  penalty or enforce any discipline.
Many of the kids are products of broken homes.
Many of the kids have one or both parents who have been through the justice system.
Many of the parents have drug or alcohol problems.
Lots of the kids live with peers away from home in transient accommodation.
There's a reason the majority of young offenders gravitate to gangs and finding common purpose with anti-social peer groups.
Home life isn't pleasant.

Quote from: Lods – on May 28, 2025, 10:35:23 am

I've met lots of the parents.
Punishing most of them would be an exercise in futility.
They have neither the means (wealth) or the social nous and parenting skills to cope with any  penalty or enforce any discipline.
Many of the kids are products of broken homes.
Many of the kids have one or both parents who have been through the justice system.
Many of the parents have drug or alcohol problems.
Lots of the kids live with peers away from home in transient accommodation.
There's a reason the majority of young offenders gravitate to gangs and finding common purpose with anti-social peer groups.
Home life isn't pleasant.

Oh well, let em run riot then.

I think there are a couple things at play here.

1. 'Africans' are the latest set of immigrants to come to Melbourne. First was the europeans, then the asians, then the lebanese, then the indians, now the africans. They are the forefront of everyones mind. There is a bit of 'back in my day' revisionism that papers over similar incidents of the day.
2. The media playing a part in this by constantly highighting it with fear based reporting.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't there an issue with the 'apex gang' about a decade ago? Wasn't that supposed to be home-invading africans? Is that still the case?
This all happened in an area on the other side of town to me, so only way i heard about such things was through the news.

In terms of my area now, there are more and more africans in my area, and i've not got a bad thing to say about any of them.
My son plays soccer and out of his team of 13 players, 3 of them are african and them and their parents are all lovely. You never see them without a smile on their faces. Digusting really.  Makes us all look bad.  I've had my sons friends over to my house for birthday parties and has all but the labonese represented from the aforementioned groups. From all his friends it was 'the white boys' who were the most trouble! Daylight second.

I think thats part of the problem with this. A lot of people are using anectdotal evidence and watching fear based reporting.

As mentioned earlier, i think you need to use %'s rather than totals to work out where the real issues are.....and i have no idea what they will show. That should probably be cross-referenced with lower income families for a more accurate representation.