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Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #75 –
This was our worst win that I can remember in a while. A half strength Essendon team, winning comfortably only to be embarrassed in the end. Any other team would have beaten us easily.
Essendon won 3 quarters of football. Enough said. Need to sack the forwards coach as the ball comes out of there way to easily. There's just no cohesion there at all.
We need to trade two players that would have enough value to get something decent come in. I don't care who that is but tough calls need to be made on players. Head coach is usually the first one that goes at Carlton but I think we should start with players that just are not improving and are offering little at this stage. Every other team does it but we are always afraid to pull the trigger.
So sick of this. I have seen 4 premiership in my time so you would think I have seen more good than bad but when I count the years, I have seen way more bad years than good. Go figure!
Enough is enough.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #76 –
Who do you think should be traded out Blueray?

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #77 –
Quote from: LP – on
Anderson could have ended up with a ruptured kidney or even his spleen damaged, it's unacceptable when Stewart had failed to attack the footy.

I'm not against bumps and shepherds, but that have to be acts focussed on the footy not the player.
No contact was made to the head whatsoever, it was shoulder to shoulder. Anderson's head makes contact with the ground as a result. If we are sanctioning that may as well put bibs with position names on the players.
Lets take away any hatred for Geelong and/or their players and have a look at the incident without bias.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Nothing funny about it all Lods, its central to our issues it drives me to despair. A good mate mine tells me AdNauseam, we have some of the dumbest players in the comp, I try and defend them but I think he's right.

Not only are our players dumb, but they are lazy & conditional too.

I saw two glaring examples of this on Sunday night.

White had the ball on the far side of the ground, ran around in a circular manner and tried to kick across the body but it got smothered by a Bombres player. The ballwas on the ground with the opposition about to pick it up and instead of knowing he'd made a huge blunder and tried to rectify it by running over an tackling or applying pressure, he just jogged on the spot and let them clear the ball easily instead of running in and tackling or bumping.

The ball spilled over the back of a marking contest just in front of the goalsquare, an Essendon player was paddling the ball around near to the point line, even though Curnow had just had his marking attempt spoilt, he also jogged on the spot and allowed the Essendon player to clear the ball without any pressure or challenge instead of running in and tackling or bumping.

Both of these incidents were utterly sh1tful and tell me everything I need to know about our players.

Can you imagine the Pies players doing the same thing ?? I highly doubt it !!

Thing is, you can't teach that, the player either has the depserate will to win in his belly or he doesn't, we have too many who don't and it's why the opposition teams know we are always gettable. 
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #79 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Nothing funny about it all Lods, its central to our issues it drives me to despair. A good mate mine tells me AdNauseam, we have some of the dumbest players in the comp, I try and defend them but I think he's right.

Not only are our players dumb, but they are lazy & conditional too.

I saw two glaring examples of this on Sunday night.

White had the ball on the far side of the ground, ran around in a circular manner and tried to kick across the body but it got smothered by a Bombres player. The ballwas on the ground with the opposition about to pick it up and instead of knowing he'd made a huge blunder and tried to rectify it by running over an tackling or applying pressure, he just jogged on the spot and let them clear the ball easily instead of running in and tackling or bumping.

The ball spilled over the back of a marking contest just in front of the goalsquare, an Essendon player was paddling the ball around near to the point line, even though Curnow had just had his marking attempt spoilt, he also jogged on the spot and allowed the Essendon player to clear the ball without any pressure or challenge instead of running in and tackling or bumping.

Both of these incidents were utterly sh1tful and tell me everything I need to know about our players.

Can you imagine the Pies players doing the same thing ?? I highly doubt it !!

Thing is, you can't teach that, the player either has the depserate will to win in his belly or he doesn't, we have too many who don't and it's why the opposition teams know we are always gettable.

Players know when they can impact contests and are drilled to take the safest option if they can’t.  Gout Gout would have struggled to have an impact in both of those incidents.

An impossible chase may look good to fans but it won’t win games of footy.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #80 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Players know when they can impact contests and are drilled to take the safest option if they can’t.  Gout Gout would have struggled to have an impact in both of those incidents.

An impossible chase may look good to fans but it won’t win games of footy.

I generally agree. Leaving aside the obvious issue of not having insider knowledge of several key areas regarding the players, believing that Curnow or any other player is a slack ar$e with a highlight reel and no 2nd efforts, essentially condemns a raft of senor coaches, assistant coaches, team mates, and the like to charges of gross incompetence of professional malfeasance.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #81 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Players know when they can impact contests and are drilled to take the safest option if they can’t.  Gout Gout would have struggled to have an impact in both of those incidents.

An impossible chase may look good to fans but it won’t win games of footy.

No, nada, zilch ........... not buying that cop-out excuse, our players are lazy and it shows.

Just letting the opposition do what they like when they like is a defeatist atitude especially when the ball was well within a reasonable space for them to challenge.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #82 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I generally agree. Leaving aside the obvious issue of not having insider knowledge of several key areas regarding the players, believing that Curnow or any other player is a slack ar$e with a highlight reel and no 2nd efforts, essentially condemns a raft of senor coaches, assistant coaches, team mates, and the like to charges of gross incompetence of professional malfeasance.

Curnow is a serial offender in this area, as soon as the bal lhits the deck he stops and lets the opposition defenders cler it without any fear of being accosted.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #83 –
I don't recall the incidents so I won't comment on them but just generally....

I have to believe Curnow is carrying an injury or two.
I'm guessing his value is considered greater to the team than playing someone else.
There will be times when his lack of second effort or chase will be a liability.
I suppose it's considered his other work makes up for it.

On the pressure side of things...
While a chase may be futile, sometimes continuing it while making no real progress can create a 'perceived pressure' that makes the opposition rush their disposal

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #84 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Curnow is a serial offender in this area, as soon as the ball hits the deck he stops and lets the opposition defenders clear it without any fear of being accosted.

Let's just assume for the minute that this is true (I very much doubt it, but anyway...). How do you think this plays out behind the scenes ? Do you think that Bolton, Teague, Voss and the assistants are clueless and haven't noticed, or do you think they know and just put up with it, for whatever reason ? Do you think Weitering, Walsh and others are similarly clueless, or do you think they also know and just tolerate it ? Do you think these coaches are prepared to risk humiliation, sackings, future employment prospects etc rather than confront Curnow for these alleged shortcomings ?

I am very much of the opinion that our eyes see exactly what our minds want them to see, and that what you "see" in respect of Curnow is simply a confirmation of your biases and intuitions, which you have built up over decades and which you appear determined to protect. I doubt anything I say will change that.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #85 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Who do you think should be traded out Blueray?
Without being controversial, we need to think about two of either Walsh, Curnow, McKay and TDK (likely FA). No one else will have the currency needed to instantly improve the team. We're in desperate need for a speedy midfielder and I have been saying this in years yet they have not addressed this deficiency. That is unforgivable in my opinion.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #86 –
If it helps any, we are on top of the half time ladder. We are 10-2 with a percentage of 130%. Obviously, the AFL make games too long...haha.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #87 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Curnow is a serial offender in this area, as soon as the ball hits the deck he stops and lets the opposition defenders clear it without any fear of being accosted.

Let's just assume for the minute that this is true (I very much doubt it, but anyway...). How do you think this plays out behind the scenes ? Do you think that Bolton, Teague, Voss and the assistants are clueless and haven't noticed, or do you think they know and just put up with it, for whatever reason ? Do you think Weitering, Walsh and others are similarly clueless, or do you think they also know and just tolerate it ? Do you think these coaches are prepared to risk humiliation, sackings, future employment prospects etc rather than confront Curnow for these alleged shortcomings ?

I am very much of the opinion that our eyes see exactly what our minds want them to see, and that what you "see" in respect of Curnow is simply a confirmation of your biases and intuitions, which you have built up over decades and which you appear determined to protect. I doubt anything I say will change that.


The problem is Paul that it's not a single perception regarding Curnow.
It's something that's mentioned across multiple forums by multiple posters.
They can't all be feeding off the one source.
If the initial contest is lost his response is often not there.

My opinion is he must be limited by injury.
If someone can produce vision of repeated second and third efforts it may change my thinking.
He seems to have trouble bending over.
He's fine in a straight line and leading to the contest.
He seems to have no trouble wheeling on shots to goal.
But it's the effort after the initial contest that seems to be lacking.
When he has to fight for the ground ball, tackle or chase.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #88 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The problem is Paul that it's not a single perception regarding Curnow.
It's something that's mentioned across multiple forums by multiple posters.
They can't all be feeding off the one source.
If the initial contest is lost his response is often not there.

My opinion is he must be limited by injury.
If someone can produce vision of repeated second and third efforts it may change my thinking.
He seems to have trouble bending over.
He's fine in a straight line and leading to the contest.
He seems to have no trouble wheeling on shots to goal.
But it's the effort after the initial contest that seems to be lacking.

There are demographics with different social identities, different biases etc within all supporter groups, indeed within all of society. The fact that 20 people make this observation, or 20,000 does not make it true. It means that those supporters have a particular lens or lenses through which they view the world. They have a shared group identity that comes from learned behaviors and values. They are not independent observers, free from the influence of other members of the in group.

Re: AFL Rd 13 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #89 –
And I should also add that I see plenty of players, from all teams, who could be construed to be jogging or not giving 2nd efforts.