Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Micky0 – on June 10, 2025, 09:02:14 am

Who do you think should be traded out Blueray?

Without being controversial, we need to think about two of either Walsh, Curnow, McKay and TDK (likely FA). No one else will have the currency needed to instantly improve the team. We're in desperate need for a speedy midfielder and I have been saying this in years yet they have not addressed this deficiency. That is unforgivable in my opinion.

And I should also add that I see plenty of players, from all teams, who could be construed to be jogging or not giving 2nd efforts.

I couldn't give two sh1ts about what the players at other clubs do though Paul, it's what OUR players do that completely infuriates me.

Quote from: PaulP – on June 10, 2025, 10:38:04 am

I generally agree. Leaving aside the obvious issue of not having insider knowledge of several key areas regarding the players, believing that Curnow or any other player is a slack ar$e with a highlight reel and no 2nd efforts, essentially condemns a raft of senor coaches, assistant coaches, team mates, and the like to charges of gross incompetence of professional malfeasance.

Curnow is a serial offender in this area, as soon as the bal lhits the deck he stops and lets the opposition defenders cler it without any fear of being accosted.

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Sadly the club tied a big part of their marketing to him and it makes trading him almost impossible........................

Quote from: blueray – on June 10, 2025, 10:54:58 am

Without being controversial, we need to think about two of either Walsh, Curnow, McKay and TDK (likely FA). No one else will have the currency needed to instantly improve the team. We're in desperate need for a speedy midfielder and I have been saying this in years yet they have not addressed this deficiency. That is unforgivable in my opinion.

TDK will  probably leave.  That's it. Puts us back in the first round. We'll land a very good F/S with Harry Dean too. No point hitting the panic button. Geelong didn't in 2006, Richmond didn't in 2016, and were 37 years without a flag, virtually like us now in every way, and the Pies in 2017. A few structrual tweaks for a bit more run and we'll be ok. Then comes down to our attitude.

And I should also add that I see plenty of players, from all teams, who could be construed to be jogging or not giving 2nd efforts.

Firstly, a lot of fans make these comments based on watching the broadcast, but the depth perception is poor and particularly in either distant pocket players may appear a couple of meters apart on the broadcast, but easily have 5m or 10m of separation on the field.

Secondly, some KPP players will be told to leave the chasing to the Medium / Smalls, especially if we think their opposition KPP is susceptible to blowing up aerobically. You don't waste your KPPs legs if you think they have their opponent covered on a 2nd or 3rd effort...............

Quote from: LP – on June 10, 2025, 12:20:15 pm

Firstly, a lot of fans make these comments based on watching the broadcast, but the depth perception is poor and particularly in either distant pocket players may appear a couple of meters apart on the broadcast, but easily have 5m or 10m of separation on the field.

Secondly, some KPP players will be told to leave the chasing to the Medium / Smalls, especially if we think their opposition KPP is susceptible to blowing up aerobically. You don't waste your KPPs legs if you think they have their opponent covered on a 2nd or 3rd effort...............

This is more in keeping with my thoughts. On a spectrum of plausibility, it's more plausible that Charlie is playing to instruction, and that the team is better off with him in than out, and that his KPI's are set realistically, based on injury, pre season, role within the team etc. I think it's far less likely that he is holding the club to ransom because of marketing etc.

We should offer to do a straight swap of Mr Perfect Mihochek with Charlie. I can guarantee you, we won't even have time to set our stopwatches before McRae has Brodie's bags all packed and his locker cleared.

Quote from: blueray – on June 10, 2025, 10:54:58 am

Without being controversial, we need to think about two of either Walsh, Curnow, McKay and TDK (likely FA). No one else will have the currency needed to instantly improve the team. We're in desperate need for a speedy midfielder and I have been saying this in years yet they have not addressed this deficiency. That is unforgivable in my opinion.

TDK will  probably leave.  That's it. Puts us back in the first round. We'll land a very good F/S with Harry Dean too. No point hitting the panic button. Geelong didn't in 2006, Richmond didn't in 2016, and were 37 years without a flag, virtually like us now in every way, and the Pies in 2017. A few structrual tweaks for a bit more run and we'll be ok. Then comes down to our attitude.

Quote from: laj – on June 10, 2025, 11:20:22 am

TDK will  probably leave.  That's it. Puts us back in the first round. We'll land a very good F/S with Harry Dean too. No point hitting the panic button. Geelong didn't in 2006, Richmond didn't in 2016, and were 37 years without a flag, virtually like us now in every way, and the Pies in 2017. A few structrual tweaks for a bit more run and we'll be ok. Then comes down to our attitude.

So you're happy with Curnow's input? With Harry's? With Walsh?
I am not and they all have currency right now to get very good stock back with immediate effect. Any later and we're stuck with them.
I was with my 17 year old son at the game. In the last quarter 5 mins to go and Curnow has a shot to ice the game. I said to him "The great players kick this goal, let's see if he's a great player". Sure enough he misses badly and game is still on a knife's edge. We can get rid of players that aren't great and Curnow, McKay and Walsh are not great players. They are very good with potential to be great but they have had enough time to be great and unfortunately they will not hit that mark.

Quote from: blueray – on June 10, 2025, 11:58:06 am

So you're happy with Curnow's input? With Harry's? With Walsh?
I am not and they all have currency right now to get very good stock back with immediate effect. Any later and we're stuck with them.
I was with my 17 year old son at the game. In the last quarter 5 mins to go and Curnow has a shot to ice the game. I said to him "The great players kick this goal, let's see if he's a great player". Sure enough he misses badly and game is still on a knife's edge. We can get rid of players that aren't great and Curnow, McKay and Walsh are not great players. They are very good with potential to be great but they have had enough time to be great and unfortunately they will not hit that mark.

Have been their whole careers. Harry's work in the 2nd ruck this year around the ground has been terrific even if not hitting the scoreboard. Match winner against Geelong. Charlie missed his pre-season, still on target for 50+ while Walsh also missed a chunk of pre-season and still not 100%. Form is temporary, class is permanent. I'm not soft enough of mind to throw the baby out with the bathwater at the first sign of panic and a slight drop in champion player's form. Those sides above I mentioned didn't and reaped the rewards.                           

Maybe for the forwards issues are the worst delivery imaginable going into the F50.  Notice how much better they perform earlier in games when the ball comes in more easily. Hence we are on top of the half time ladder, 10-2, 130%, a significant, telling stat. Says to maybe blame elsewhere with what happens after half time. It's not just the gun forwards, it's up the ground. Hard enough for the like of Charlie when he is fit, let alone half fit.                              

Quote from: laj – on June 10, 2025, 04:04:48 pm

Have been their whole careers. Harry's work in the 2nd ruck this year around the ground has been terrific even if not hitting the scoreboard. Match winner against Geelong. Charlie missed his pre-season, still on target for 50+ while Walsh also missed a chunk of pre-season and still not 100%. Form is temporary, class is permanent. I'm not soft enough of mind to throw the baby out with the bathwater at the first sign of panic and a slight drop in champion player's form. Those sides above I mentioned didn't and reaped the rewards.                           

Maybe for the forwards issues are the worst delivery imaginable going into the F50.  Notice how much better they perform earlier in games when the ball comes in more easily. Hence we are on top of the half time ladder, 10-2, 130%, a significant, telling stat. Says to maybe blame elsewhere with what happens after half time. It's not just the gun forwards, it's up the ground. Hard enough for the like of Charlie when he is fit, let alone half fit.                              

All i was saying is we need two players out with currency (as above). One is likely Walsh who has gone backwards and two would be Harry or Curnow but Carlton won't. They'll just let TDK go for peanuts and have another ordinary year. Curnow has no dog in him. He is supremely talented but just does not do enough. Our entries can be poor but i see the leads from our forwards live each week. No wonder the entries are as bad as they are. Hard work beats talent. Just look at Collingwood