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Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #45 –
For a bloke that's allegedly playing under duress, Jacob Weitering played one hell of a game.  I know our defence plays as a unit and the work of Haynes or Saad may contribute to Hollands winning a contest or clearing the ball out of defence, but Weitering's individual effort was outstanding.  Oscar Allen hardly touched the ball while Weitering had 23 disposals at 74%.  Of course, Weitering and his fellow defenders accumulate possessions through switches of play and kicks to the pocket after a behind, but Weiters managed 10 intercepts, eight contested possessions and he killed 10 marking contests while taking 14 marks himself ... and he spent the entire game on the ground.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #46 –
Oscar Allen has hardly touched the ball all year, is leaving as a free agent, doesnt care anymore  and was also injured in the game and should have been dropped weeks ago but WC being the abysmal team they are have nothing else and are forced to play him. Weitering has been doing ok for a player who looks sore and injured at times especially when he kicks the ball. Got a bad corky or two a while back and I wonder if he really should have been rested.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Lods – on
That's the strange thing Baggers

We are being told we changed a few things up due to injuries.
But in fact the course of the match pretty much mirrored a lot of our performances this year.

I think you are putting a lot of stock into what Charlie said.

He is the one that said we changed things up due to injuries.
He also said the small forwards did well after he went off kicking a couple goals.
Pretty sure we only kicked 1 since he went off and that was Mitch McGovern.

So don't take his words as gospel.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #48 –
I think people are a bit harsh in their judgement of the team. The outcome of two goals after half time again was disappointing but I think losing Curnow was a major problem for the team to overcome. Of concern was the missing of gettable goals which would change the narrative as was the dropping of marks. In the main I thought our decision making was better but we need to see it under pressure before we get to far ahead of ourselves. The first quarter showed how good we can play but the players need to keep believing even when things aren't going our way. The backline is really solid and Binns and Lord, though not fast, have given us a little more zip as has Cincotta. Our midfield is solid so I wouldn't be bringing in Pittonett and moving TDK forward. Stick with what is working and give Lemmey a chance. Safe option is to bring in Young but I think we need to find out if Lemmey is up to it. Wilson must also be close but there needs to be a spot.
Destiny is in our hands but we have tended to fumble it in the past.
 

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #49 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on
That's the strange thing Baggers

We are being told we changed a few things up due to injuries.
But in fact the course of the match pretty much mirrored a lot of our performances this year.

I think you are putting a lot of stock into what Charlie said.

He is the one that said we changed things up due to injuries.
He also said the small forwards did well after he went off kicking a couple goals.
Pretty sure we only kicked 1 since he went off and that was Mitch McGovern.

So don't take his words as gospel.

Charlie basically repeated what Vossy said apart from his quip about giving the small forwards an opportunity to do their thing.

Durdin and McGovern kicked our last two goals after Charlie went off.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #50 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Oscar Allen has hardly touched the ball all year, is leaving as a free agent, doesnt care anymore  and was also injured in the game and should have been dropped weeks ago but WC being the abysmal team they are have nothing else and are forced to play him. Weitering has been doing ok for a player who looks sore and injured at times especially when he kicks the ball. Got a bad corky or two a while back and I wonder if he really should have been rested.

As I said, for a bloke allegedly carrying an injury, Weitering had an outstanding game.  His ability to get to marking contests and spoil is amazing when you think that he is basically hopping to contests.  Of course, his ten intercepts weren't that impressive because the ball just happened to land where he was standing ... ten times.  His eight contested possessions probably shouldn't count because his opponents didn't really try.

Oscar Allen kicked four goals against the much vaunted and full strength Geelong defence a couple of weeks ago. He looked pretty competitive for a bloke who doesn't care  ::)  
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #52 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on
That's the strange thing Baggers

We are being told we changed a few things up due to injuries.
But in fact the course of the match pretty much mirrored a lot of our performances this year.

I think you are putting a lot of stock into what Charlie said.

He is the one that said we changed things up due to injuries.
He also said the small forwards did well after he went off kicking a couple goals.
Pretty sure we only kicked 1 since he went off and that was Mitch McGovern.

So don't take his words as gospel.

Voss in his presser and Cerra and McGovern in post matches ...all spoke of changing things up.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #53 –
Remember when we were 3 out of our last 30 under Bolton?

He was trying to implement a semblance of tactics and our guys weren't getting it for whatever reason. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Remember when we were 3 out of our last 30 under Bolton?

He was trying to implement a semblance of tactics and our guys weren't getting it for whatever reason. 

It may have been because they weren't capable.
Things like game plans and tactics probably depend on the make-up of your list.

Do you try and make the players play to a plan, or do you develop a plan that makes best use of their strengths and weaknesses.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #55 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The glass half full version :
- we won by nearly 6 goals, similar to Geelong who beat WC by 7 goals
- traveling, away from Melbourne
- no Walsh, no McKay, Curnow out early, Cripps and Weitering down on form for various reasons
- a few players with a handful of games
- a few in game injuries

The glass half empty version :
- we played 2 quarters of good footy, against a team with one win, sitting last on the ladder.

Let the reader choose.


I'll take C, all of the above  ;D
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #56 –
I’ve given up trying to get inside the heads of our players or trying to work out what might motivate or not motivate them. Our club is, I’m sure, a mystical place that bends minds and transforms reality. 🤩🤪
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Remember when we were 3 out of our last 30 under Bolton?

He was trying to implement a semblance of tactics and our guys weren't getting it for whatever reason. 

It may have been because they weren't capable.
Things like game plans and tactics probably depend on the make-up of your list.

Do you try and make the players play to a plan, or do you develop a plan that makes best use of their strengths and weaknesses.
thats a philosophical question.

Tactics aren't suited to one type over any other.  Yes you can run faster, or you can kick longer/shorter but often the variable is not based on what they can and cannot do, but rather what they can do well naturally vs what needs to be practiced.

Was Bradman the best because he was good?  Or did he work harder at his craft?

If we have some that are suited and some that aren't wrich way do you play?  Is this why Boyd isnt getting much of a look in?

What is can say this season is we seem to be trying to move from a game plan that relies less on our a graders playing well and more on a spread of players playing well which is the way we have to go to achieve anything if we are going to be any good when our A graders become B graders.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Lods – on


It may have been because they weren't capable.
Things like game plans and tactics probably depend on the make-up of your list.

Do you try and make the players play to a plan, or do you develop a plan that makes best use of their strengths and weaknesses.
thats a philosophical question.

Tactics aren't suited to one type over any other.  Yes you can run faster, or you can kick longer/shorter but often the variable is not based on what they can and cannot do, but rather what they can do well naturally vs what needs to be practiced.

Was Bradman the best because he was good?  Or did he work harder at his craft?

If we have some that are suited and some that aren't wrich way do you play?  Is this why Boyd isnt getting much of a look in?

What is can say this season is we seem to be trying to move from a game plan that relies less on our a graders playing well and more on a spread of players playing well which is the way we have to go to achieve anything if we are going to be any good when our A graders become B graders.
I don't think the rest of our list is at the level to take over some of the A graders work.Imo the gap is huge and that's why we struggle over 4 quarters when our stars fatigue or get taken out of games by opposition tactics.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #59 –
They might not be without the opportunity but we are seeing different players getting to put their hand up and show something.  Thing is, it might take them 20 games to get there, or show that they just cant get there.

Im neither here nor there on what we do.  This season reminds me very much of 2012. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson