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Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #60 –
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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Oscar Allen has hardly touched the ball all year, is leaving as a free agent, doesnt care anymore  and was also injured in the game and should have been dropped weeks ago but WC being the abysmal team they are have nothing else and are forced to play him. Weitering has been doing ok for a player who looks sore and injured at times especially when he kicks the ball. Got a bad corky or two a while back and I wonder if he really should have been rested.

As I said, for a bloke allegedly carrying an injury, Weitering had an outstanding game.  His ability to get to marking contests and spoil is amazing when you think that he is basically hopping to contests.  Of course, his ten intercepts weren't that impressive because the ball just happened to land where he was standing ... ten times.  His eight contested possessions probably shouldn't count because his opponents didn't really try.

Oscar Allen kicked four goals against the much vaunted and full strength Geelong defence a couple of weeks ago. He looked pretty competitive for a bloke who doesn't care  ::)  
Allen is going to very well off if he goes to Brisbane, 6 year deal on close to a mill a year and it was reported on Footy Classified that WC will probably get the No 2 pick in the draft as compo from the special sauce formula with the AFL being over generous to help the struggling Eagles out. Reckon the Eagles wont play him again this season and look after their investment.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #61 –
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Quote from: LP – on
Shows how much we've missed Cincotta, just seems to be one of the types who finds himself in the right place at the right moment.
Blokes like Cinc and Lord just go out and do exactly what is asked of them for the good of the team. A coach cannot ask for more than that.

Coachable. Not drinking their own bathwater..
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.
 

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #62 –
Quote from: LP – on
Shows how much we've missed Cincotta, just seems to be one of the types who finds himself in the right place at the right moment.

I think that it’s more about reading the play and knowing where the right places are.

The thing about Cincotta is that he can play multiple roles.  In some ways, he’s a bit like Chugga but a better finisher and with the foot speed to defend more effectively.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #63 –
Quote from: LP – on
Shows how much we've missed Cincotta, just seems to be one of the types who finds himself in the right place at the right moment.

He is also one of the most reliable kicks to advantage

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #64 –
I was surprised how quick Cincotta actually is. Hadn’t noticed that before.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #65 –
One thing that impressed me about Sunday's game was the form of Jaxon Binns.  In his previous senior games he has looked to me like a VFL player having a crack at AFL.  On Sunday he looked like an AFL player who was confident and competent playing at that level.  He disposal is generally good but he needs to tidy up some errant kicking ... he's not Robinson Crusoe there.

Sam Walsh was back to his best and is virtually impossible to replace with a like for like player.  Binns and Lord together provided a reasonable replacement.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #66 –
Yep
The thing about Binns for me was he was always accumulating lots of possessions in the VFL but he didn't seem to be noticable.
You'd look up the stat sheet after the game and see all these possessions and wonder where he got them, because for me he didn't seem to be impacting the games.

On the weekend I thought to myself Binns was going alright. ;) 
He even got a mention from the coach. :D

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #67 –
When we see the impact of just one or two players we've missed, it clearly shows how a little change can have a huge impact, Keep in mind when we change a player we aren't adding or subtracting a whole, it's the difference between the two that we are considering.

At AFL level that very small difference is amplified because teams are so well drilled to take the advantage when it presents.

This is why I tend to concur with @Thryleon‍ and @PaulP‍ that we are not as far away from a good outcome as the AFL Media and some fans tend to portray, we definitely do not need to "Sell the Farm!"
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #68 –
Quote from: DJC – on
One thing that impressed me about Sunday's game was the form of Jaxon Binns.  In his previous senior games he has looked to me like a VFL player having a crack at AFL.  On Sunday he looked like an AFL player who was confident and competent playing at that level.  He disposal is generally good but he needs to tidy up some errant kicking ... he's not Robinson Crusoe there.

Sam Walsh was back to his best and is virtually impossible to replace with a like for like player.  Binns and Lord together provided a reasonable replacement.
We were playing a VFL like team which probably made Binns a bit more comfortable, I gave him a vote and would persist with him as we look more mobile with him working around the midfield.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #69 –
Quote from: LP – on
When we see the impact of just one or two players we've missed, it clearly shows how a little change can have a huge impact, Keep in mind when we change a player we aren't adding or subtracting a whole, it's the difference between the two that we are considering.

At AFL level that very small difference is amplified because teams are so well drilled to take the advantage when it presents.

This is why I tend to concur with @Thryleon‍ and @PaulP‍ that we are not as far away from a good outcome as the AFL Media and some fans tend to portray, we definitely do not need to "Sell the Farm!"

Looking at various data points (ladder position, percentage, analysis from Daniel Hoyne et al), it seems pretty clear that a few aspects of our game are in pretty good shape. That's obviously not enough to compete week in week out, but the club needs to defy its own history and its self cultivated pedigree, and act judiciously and carefully, and make the minimal changes that are required to address the negatives, without compromising the positives.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #70 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: DJC – on
One thing that impressed me about Sunday's game was the form of Jaxon Binns.  In his previous senior games he has looked to me like a VFL player having a crack at AFL.  On Sunday he looked like an AFL player who was confident and competent playing at that level.  He disposal is generally good but he needs to tidy up some errant kicking ... he's not Robinson Crusoe there.

Sam Walsh was back to his best and is virtually impossible to replace with a like for like player.  Binns and Lord together provided a reasonable replacement.
We were playing a VFL like team which probably made Binns a bit more comfortable, I gave him a vote and would persist with him as we look more mobile with him working around the midfield.

Sorry EB but West Coast would flog a combined VFL team.  They were in front of Brisbane at three quarter time and lost by only 19 points, should have beaten Essendon, Richmond and North, and they smashed St Kilda.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #71 –
I should also mention Nick Haynes.  When we picked him up I thought that he’d provide injury cover but, after a shaky start, he has consolidated his place as a very reliable and consistent member of our defensive combination.

His intercepting and spoiling are elite, his disposal by foot is very good and he complements our other defenders very well.  An astute addition to the list by Nick Austin.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #72 –
Quote from: LP – on
When we see the impact of just one or two players we've missed, it clearly shows how a little change can have a huge impact, Keep in mind when we change a player we aren't adding or subtracting a whole, it's the difference between the two that we are considering.

At AFL level that very small difference is amplified because teams are so well drilled to take the advantage when it presents.

This is why I tend to concur with @Thryleon‍ and @PaulP‍ that we are not as far away from a good outcome as the AFL Media and some fans tend to portray, we definitely do not need to "Sell the Farm!"

It has actually been amazing that pretty much all of our senior players have been comprimised
- Walsh - no preseason and then ongoing issues
- Charlie - no preseason
- Harry - the mental health stuff, now the knee
- Newy - out
- Weiters - looks to be carrying somehting the last month
- Crippa - doesnt look himself all year - major strapping on the shoulder

Only Cerra, Hewitt and DeKonning of our real topliners seem to be fit and firing

I know all teams get injuries, but these ones count for extra I would have thought.   Would love to know what the season would look like if all of these blokes were fit

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #73 –
Game plan a joke we play 1 Q of football ,Voss and Co wat are they doing imagine if ess had a full team in and wce  bottom team ,if north ball movement is quick we are in trouble

Re: AFL Rd 12 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #74 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I should also mention Nick Haynes.  When we picked him up I thought that he’d provide injury cover but, after a shaky start, he has consolidated his place as a very reliable and consistent member of our defensive combination.

His intercepting and spoiling are elite, his disposal by foot is very good and he complements our other defenders very well.  An astute addition to the list by Nick Austin.

I think his contested marking is good but his disposal by foot is ordinary and we need more elite kicks coming out of defense imho.