Carlton Supporters Club

You're right but the tail wags the dog and once the players get sick of their voices they stop playing for them. Very sadly, you end up having to change them. Becomes a pointless, frustrating exercise for the coach. They'd have more enjoyment then as an assistant elsewhere. We've changed coaches, overhauled playing lists, and still nothing. Nothing will change unless the deep, prevailing inner culture changes, as it did for Richmond after their 2016 disaster. They were no different to us now then, with a million coach changes and 37 years without a flag. 2016 was their light bulb moment. Until we have a light bulb moment this is our lot. Only thing is we play our best footy in the first year of a coach's tenure when they are more enthusiastic. Can't be changing the coach every 12 months though....haha.

Quote from: kruddler – on June 22, 2025, 12:20:00 pm

I was at the game and haven't watched the replay.....and won't, once was enough.

I had a few suspicions at the ground, and have only just looked into them now

1. Corey Durdin. 75% game time. 7 touches. 0 goals. 0 behinds. 0 tackles. 0 clearances. 0 goal assists. 2 turnovers. 2 clangers.
Why are we playing him? What does he give us? He was useless yesterday.

2. Jesse Motlop. 29% game time. 10 touches 1 goal 1 behind. 1 tackle. 2 clearances.  0 goal assists. 0 turnovers. 1 clanger
Why are we not playing him more? Specifically, in the middle. Every man and his dog has seen him play great footy this year and its no coincidence that his best games are when he is run through the middle. It works. He plays well. Then next week, we stick him in a pocket and wonder why he doesn't perform as well. Put him where the ball is!

3. Weitering. Not sure how much they showed on TV, but weitering was down, looking like he was shot for a good few minutes before they stopped the game and helped him hop/limp off. He was in A LOT of pain rocking back and forth and hitting the ground.
Why we decided to risk him and bring him back i don't understand. Once they did he was next to useless in the contests. He got a couple of good spoil in contests he went too, but he hung out the back in twice as many contests giving them the outnumber. He wasn't trying to be a 'sweeper' either as there was other carlton players  behind the contest doing that job already. He became a liability and put his own health at risk further. Whatever it was, he reinjured it in the 3rd quarter up on the wing and hobbled all the way back to the goal square. Stupid for playing him injured. We've learned nothing from last year.

4. Why didn't we play Lemmey? Was the perfect week to play him. You can guarantee that he would've given his all to 'prove his worth' and not rolled over like so many others did. His size would've helped us with Weiters as well allowing Gov to switch back, or go back himself. But no. Only reason you can justify not playing him is if we've marked his cards and that he will be out the door at seasons end. Charlie clearly wasn't fit and Lemmey could've given us something different.

5. Doc and Saad.....and Haynes. They are on the wrong side of 30. Still got some good footy left, but that is getting few and far between. I think all of them are relatively lucky we don't have a kid coming through taking their spot. Might be a changing of the guard in the off-season if we can't recapture some legitimate form in 2025.

6. Cripps. 2025 version isn't fit to tie 2024 versions shoelaces. He won the brownlow with the biggest tally in history and this year he's lucky to make the bests. He is currently averages his 2nd lowest possession tally since wearing the #9 at carlton. Only covid 2020 has been worse. (Note: he started in #16 in his first season and averaged 9, then switched to #9 and dominated).

I found myself nodding as I read this thoughtful contribution, K.

We have had a habit over the Voss duration of playing injured blokes. Not saying it's Vossy's doing. But you're right, Weiters, Crippa and Acres need resting... Don't ask them if they're okay to play because players will just about always say yes.

Sometimes it is really important for leaders who are injured to admit to themselves and their team mates that they're not up to it; that they can't play through the injury and give their best.

Totally agree (and have said it before) we must stop playing sentimental favourites - Fantasia and Durdin in particular.

Ollie Hollands is being beaten up down back - let him run and be creative. Cowan is ready to replace him.

We disagree on Lemmey. Still isn't imposing himself enough. However, HOF is ready and a must. He's played forward and not looked out of place.

Ratten will always be popular among the Carlton faithful - nice bloke, club champion, significant personal tragedy. But his records at both Carlton and St Kilda are virtually identical. I get that fans will always go in to bat for him, but taking the data on its own terms, it suggests an OK, mid table, nibbling-at-finals coach, and nothing more.

Quote from: PaulP – on June 22, 2025, 04:38:58 pm

Ratten will always be popular among the Carlton faithful - nice bloke, club champion, significant personal tragedy. But his records at both Carlton and St Kilda are virtually identical. I get that fans will always go in to bat for him, but taking the data on its own terms, it suggests an OK, mid table, nibbling-at-finals coach, and nothing more.

I'm not surprised with Ratt's lack of success as a coach.
He reacts very slowly when things don't go as they should. His basic planning is good, but when things change, he doesn't until it is too late. And when it happened, the players didn't believe in the moves far too often.
Voss is similar. His basic planning is not that bad, but when it doesn't work, he's not in his element. Guys don't tend to come back with Voss in charge.

What made Barassi such a winner was that he did role with the punches. If things didn't work out, he would change things and the players KNEW it was a step forward. They often lifted.
Parkin was similar, if not to the extent of Barassi. Sheedy did it better, (damn it). Players believed in his moves.

Collingwood are successful at the moment because they have a superior game plan and a level of self-belief that our guys lack. We have neither.

Yep,  we are all shattered at how the Blues are performing this year, but no point in mass depression or hysteria!  
Hopefully Voss & Co will use the rest of season 2025 to get games into the young talent waiting for their chance, incl. Ben Campo., O'Farrell, Moir, Flynn Young etc

Ab

Quote from: Adelaideblue – on June 22, 2025, 08:54:43 am

Yep,  we are all shattered at how the Blues are performing this year, but no point in mass depression or hysteria!  
Hopefully Voss & Co will use the rest of season 2025 to get games into the young talent waiting for their chance, incl. Ben Campo., O'Farrell, Moir, Flynn Young etc

Ab

No chance, Voss is coaching for his career.

Quote from: LordLucifer – on June 22, 2025, 05:51:21 pm

No chance, Voss is coaching for his career.

Correct,  I said exactly that about 8-9 weeks ago.    Voss won't get too creative now,  there's far too much pressure on him.

Quote from: Bluesers – on June 22, 2025, 06:54:33 pm

Correct,  I said exactly that about 8-9 weeks ago.    Voss won't get too creative now,  there's far too much pressure on him.

Might be interesting if the management suggest playing some younger players and tell Voss to coach for development.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 22, 2025, 06:58:19 pm

Might be interesting if the management suggest playing some younger players and tell Voss to coach for development.

Ah...The Bolton option  

I heard a news report suggesting the senior players are leading the review of the NM disaster this week. That's farken laughable if true given the senior players are the problem. How do you reckon that review will go?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 22, 2025, 06:58:19 pm

Might be interesting if the management suggest playing some younger players and tell Voss to coach for development.

Ah...The Bolton option