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Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne

Reply #75 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
We clearly have some talent at the young end of the list, why isn't this transferring to senior level?  It can't just be the old chestnut of the VFL being so much lower level than the big stage?
Port Melbourne were very average, far cry from Fred Cook, the Goss boys and Buster Harland in the glory days.
Bit unnerving seeing James Hird patrolling the boundary too..

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Reply #76 –
That said this is the best looking group of juniors we've had for a while, at least they're competitive this year.
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Reply #77 –
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That said this is the best looking group of juniors we've had for a while, at least they're competitive this year.

If that is true, it suggests that the gap between the AFL and VFL has widened considerably since David Teague coached the Northern Blues to a couple of VFL finals series.

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Reply #78 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
That said this is the best looking group of juniors we've had for a while, at least they're competitive this year.

If that is true, it suggests that the gap between the AFL and VFL has widened considerably since David Teague coached the Northern Blues to a couple of VFL finals series.
qualifying statement for a while

Teagues vfl stint with us ended what 14 years ago?

Its been a minute.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne

Reply #79 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
That said this is the best looking group of juniors we've had for a while, at least they're competitive this year.

If that is true, it suggests that the gap between the AFL and VFL has widened considerably since David Teague coached the Northern Blues to a couple of VFL finals series.

Ouch !
What do you really think of our juniors @RiverRat ?
Let’s go BIG !

Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne

Reply #80 –
This time the listed players are playing major roles, in the Teague years the non-listed players carried things.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
 

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Reply #81 –
James Hird wants our kids in and the senior team playing the same game style as our VFL team, was impressed with kids like  Moir , Charleson, Carroll etc.
Tend to agree, need to drop senior players who are not taking us anywhere and go with the kids for the next 8 weeks...
Glad Luke Power seems to value the modern more expansive style than the 1960s game the seniors play.

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Reply #82 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
James Hird wants our kids in and the senior team playing the same game style as our VFL team, was impressed with kids like  Moir , Charleson, Carroll etc.
Tend to agree, need to drop senior players who are not taking us anywhere and go with the kids for the next 8 weeks...
Glad Luke Power seems to value the modern more expansive style than the 1960s game the seniors play.

Yep.

And I suspect the incoming CEO would want a look at these 'juniors' at senior level before making strong decisions on the list.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: VFL Rd 14 2025 Carlton vs Port Melbourne

Reply #83 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Glad Luke Power seems to value the modern more expansive style than the 1960s game the seniors play.
I think our VFL game tactics Saturday night were closer to the AFL teams tactics than they have been all season, which against Hird's group make the game a shoot out.

The difference Saturday night was basically that we had Cowan and Carroll who both played 4-qtrs and mopped up in defence to kick things off on the attack with plenty of rebound.

There will be a lot of fans boosting Evans, Durdin and Moir, but they all really only played 1/2 a game, they can't do that at the next level and get away with it like they did Saturday night.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #84 –
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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Glad Luke Power seems to value the modern more expansive style than the 1960s game the seniors play.
I think our VFL game tactics Saturday night were closer to the AFL teams tactics than they have been all season, which against Hird's group make the game a shoot out.

The difference Saturday night was basically that we had Cowan and Carroll who both played 4-qtrs and mopped up in defence to kick things off on the attack with plenty of rebound.

There will be a lot of fans boosting Evans, Durdin and Moir, but they all really only played 1/2 a game, they can't do that at the next level and get away with it like they did Saturday night.
Hirds comments suggested otherwise about game style and that the VFL teams approach differed and that's what caught his eye and he described it as expansive in comparison.

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Reply #85 –
Having effective half backs makes a difference
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Reply #86 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Having effective half backs makes a difference
The VFL kids want to run and take the game on, the seniors by design or lack of effort don't, and we end up with the ball going backwards, sideways etc while all our forwards get manned up .
Everyone can see it except the coaches box, senior players need to be dropped and the kids promoted, results don't matter for this season .

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Reply #87 –
I think it's easy to confuse a perceived difference in tactic with an inability to implement a tactic. Structurally I can't see any real difference between the AFL and VFL game tactics from last weekend, but the tactics are significantly easier to implement against Port Melbourne in the VFL than they are against even a weaker AFL opponent. We can do it in the AFL, but not for 4-qtrs.

Anyone watching Evans and Durdin struggle in the AFL should be acutely aware of that.

Could Cowan and Carroll do in the AFL what they did in the VFL for 4-qtrs, possibly, but most likely only partially, certainly it would be to a lesser extent. Without Cowan and Carroll breaking lines and hitting those targets forward of the contest, Evans, Durdin and Camporeale would find themselves in heavy traffic and the outcome would be very different, they would lose effectiveness. That surely seems familiar.

If it was as easy as moving into the AFL and repeating the VFL procedure everybody would be doing it!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #88 –
Carroll is the one that all the scoring happened through against Adelaide.

Cowan is sorely missed, as he was playing the Newman role, and heir apparent there.  His absence has hurt our defense significantly.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #89 –
The solution to last Thursday was Saturday night. Keep running forward, keep moving forward,  don't go in your shell when you make mistakes, trust your team mates will keep having a go, and try and kick and handball the ball to your team mates, and finally,  don't give up.